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Itachi Uchiha

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From: mayaguez, Puerto RIco

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Message 16 of 19 (74334)
12-19-2003 4:16 PM

Actually last week i was wathcing CNN's Moneyline with Lou Dobbs and his version of the story goes against your views.

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Rrhain

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Message 17 of 19 (74341)
12-19-2003 4:31 PM

Reply to: Message 16 by Itachi Uchiha
12-19-2003 4:16 PM

Do you have a reference? Anything concrete at all? Why does the Department of Justice disagree? What does Lou Dobbs know that the DoJ doesn't? What day was this program? CNN does make transcripts available online: Lou Dobbs Tonight. None of the summaries seems to indicate any discussion of crime statistics, but I went and looked at all the transcripts from last week for the word "crime" and only found two references:

Thursday, December 11, talking about KPMG and stalling with the IRS:

She's here with that and quite a few developments in corporate crime.

Friday, December 12, talking about the question of illegal aliens being allowed to get a driver's license in California:

The only felony, other than driving dangerously because you're drunk or speeding or something like that, and you lose a license because you're endangering people, the only other crime in the country -- in that state where you will lose your license is if you happen to break a misdemeanor immigration law. That's just wrong. They should not be treated differently than anybody else in California.

So help us out here. What did Dobbs say and when did he say it?

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shadowdragon

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Message 18 of 19 (74413)
12-20-2003 5:46 AM

Reply to: Message 1 by TheoMorphic
11-21-2003 5:09 PM

I think common sense (which is not common), logic and reason should be used as guidelines for moral conduct. Religions generally set exclusionary rules which are not in and of themselves moral. Islam considers those not Islamic to be infidels and deserving of death, Christianity considers unbelievers separate from God and going to hell. How are these attitudes moral except within their own groupings?
I teach my children that stealing is wrong, that lying is wrong, that being physically abusive is wrong, that murder is wrong, etc.... not because of religion but because it is logically and philosophically wrong.
I read and educate myself to the best of my ability and try to instill that into my children through example and discussion. I take part in my children’s lives and tell them about mine. I do my best to expose them to everything possible and the things that they are able to understand at that time in their lives.
Good values and morals come from education, family interaction and communication, willingness to listen to another even when you disagree with them, being involved in your children’s lives, etc ad nauseum.... i.e. common sense and reasoning.
This is just my opinion of course but I do not see how religion can be the great standard for morals when there is much about them that is immoral when examined with an open mind.