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Author Topic:   Who can be saved? A Christian perspective
IamJoseph
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Message 326 of 466 (641054)
11-16-2011 1:03 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by jar
09-11-2004 11:22 AM


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IMHO, as a Christian, anyone can be saved whether or not they acknowledge or profess a belief in Jesus or even GOD. In fact, even if they deny the existence of GOD they can and will likely be saved.
So to others out there, whether you are Christian, one of the other Judaic faiths, agnostic or even athiest, what do you think? Who can be saved and how do you support your position?
Well said; you are now talking Hebrew bible lingo. Islam also emulates the wrong message for humanity with its infidel premise. However, how do you, as a Christian, contradict a pivotal doctrine of Christianity - it cannot be a mere wrong interpretation as the doctrine is very precisely listed?
This then is the correct law, observed in all bona fide countries' judiciary institutions [excluding Iran and Saudi Arabia fer sure]. Of note this law does not contain any religious affiliations and is about 'equal justice for all':
'ONLY THE SOUL THAT SINS [COMITS A CRIME] IT SHALL PAY'.
Namely, a good Christian is better than a bad jew, and vice verse.

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IamJoseph
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Message 327 of 466 (641056)
11-16-2011 1:09 AM
Reply to: Message 324 by Phat
11-15-2011 3:50 PM


Re: Who Can Be Saved?
None know what is before or after death. Anyone saying they do is in error, or worse; many using this as a blackmail or to cheat and scare others. The only thing we can be sure of is that the universe is a work of wisdom and nothing is superfluous, though it may seem that way. This says there must be an intelligent reason applying. Of note that even a single random quark would destroy the universe eventually.

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IamJoseph
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Message 331 of 466 (641078)
11-16-2011 9:03 AM
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11-16-2011 8:56 AM


Re: Jesus was a Jew
quote:
Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian.
Does that mean he followed the Hebrew laws and also promoted the Gospel version of divine son? It seems very unlikely because these are such core differences.
quote:
iaj writes:
However, how do you, as a Christian, contradict a pivotal doctrine of Christianity - it cannot be a mere wrong interpretation as the doctrine is very precisely listed?
Sorry, but it is not that precisely listed.
Maybe not technically, but all Christians have a common belief of Jesus, and your position is irregular.

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IamJoseph
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Message 351 of 466 (641189)
11-17-2011 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 348 by jar
11-17-2011 6:01 PM


LET THERE BE LIGHT.
quote:
There are many Christians that view Christianity and Christians as Jesus chosen people just as there are many Jews (and were many Jews in Jesus day) that viewed the Hebrews as a Chosen People.
Yet Jews were not chosen to have loads of land, population, power, oil or water. In fact they were given the smallest patch of all nations, with half desert, surrounded by killer nations, exiled, holocausted and said to have no right to exist. Have you heard the one about Jews occupying Jerusalem and Hebron!?
Yet those who chant LOVE IS ALL YOU NEED and PEACE BE UPON YOU are raging mad with red eyes and blood dripping from their lips for 2000 years now. They have become 'subject to Jews' belief systems - to the extent they cannot uphold a belief in the Creator if Jews are not bad. They have made the Holy Creator a cursory after thought - if even that.
I say, there is chosen - and there is CHOSEN. Choose your chosen:
1. No Salvation but through JC. [Chosen by exclusive kingdom keys]
2. No Paradise but through Big Mo. [Chosen by the last and final no-buts last word from Allah]
3. Be a light unto the nations [Chosen by example only]
I say, next time please choose someone else.
Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.

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IamJoseph
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Message 355 of 466 (641193)
11-17-2011 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 342 by jar
11-17-2011 3:19 PM


Re: Jesus was not a Christian!
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Israel, as a chosen people, is yet another meaning, one that Jesus explains is a totally false belief.
Come, let us reason together. If Christians rejected Mohammed because they wanted Jesus to tell them the score, why not also demand that only Moses can speak on his own behalf? Consider:
If Jesus came again, and he said something in contradiction of the Quran - would Muslims prostrate and agree?
Or let's say Mohammed came again, and he said something in contradiction of the Gospels - would all Christians kneel and say thank you?
It begs the question what if Moses came again, and said TUT! TUT! Both JC & Mo all got it wrong.
Of course none know what will or can happen. But till the fat lady finishes her song, it is reasonable to have a Plan B. We might just get a result which is not popular and the most un-anticipated questions in our faces. If Christianity and Islam are in mutual contradiction of each other, then I say both must show some credibility and metal - only Moses - not JC or MO - can clear up this mess!
WHAT IS HATEFUL TO YOU - ASK NOT OF OTHERS.

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IamJoseph
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Message 356 of 466 (641195)
11-17-2011 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 352 by GDR
11-17-2011 8:36 PM


Re: The Goats were followers of Jesus.
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There is no longer doubt about who He is.
That has to be the ubsurdist statement in all recorded history. No human is more un-proven than Jesus and the Gospel figures. No names has cost more innocent lives than that of Jesus. Not a shred of proof, evidence, parchment, relic, cross-nation reference or indicator exists - in a time when such proof would be and should be blatant with no excuses legitimate. Hello!?

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IamJoseph
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Message 361 of 466 (641202)
11-17-2011 9:15 PM
Reply to: Message 359 by GDR
11-17-2011 9:00 PM


Re: The Goats were followers of Jesus.
No question the belief is genuine; but the facts on the ground do not validate it. The facts say belief is generic to all humans and human groups, none have patent rights on it.

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IamJoseph
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Message 378 of 466 (641414)
11-18-2011 11:57 PM


How does any group claim to know who is saved, what saved means and how can they prove this?
I say:
Those who have no proof make sure their proof is far away.

  
IamJoseph
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Message 402 of 466 (641524)
11-20-2011 2:19 AM


The "WHY?" factor rules.
The question of being saved is still incoherent, because we do not know the purpose of creation. In fact this is the primal and only reason for a Messiah. The universe was created in wisdom - but we do not know WHY!

  
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