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Author Topic:   Who can be saved? A Christian perspective
dpardo
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Message 47 of 466 (147304)
10-04-2004 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by jar
09-11-2004 4:31 PM


Hi Jar,
You wrote:
"Jesus said that there are two commandments, Love god and the two parter, love others as you love yourself.
Basically, that's it, love GOD and love others as you love yourself.
So the question is, "Do you have to acknowledge GOD or even believe in GOD to Love GOD?"
IMHO and according to the Bible, the answer is "No. You can love GOD without acknowledging GOD or even if you deny GOD's very existence."
What does it mean to love God, or anyone for that matter?

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dpardo
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Message 49 of 466 (147308)
10-04-2004 9:15 PM
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10-04-2004 9:08 PM


From your quote of Matthew 25, it seems that you define love as being action rather than just a feeling.
Is this a fair assessment?

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dpardo
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Message 64 of 466 (147378)
10-05-2004 1:40 AM
Reply to: Message 51 by jar
10-04-2004 9:35 PM


Jar writes:
"You can love GOD without acknowledging GOD or even if you deny GOD's very existence."
Would you consider unwillingness to acknowledge God and denying his existence expressions of love?
If we say we love God, how can we then reconcile that with those actions?

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dpardo
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Message 81 of 466 (148158)
10-07-2004 4:13 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by jar
10-06-2004 1:22 AM


Hi Jar,
John 3:17-20 says:
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Does verse 18 address your assertion that Jesus does not require us to believe something in order to be saved?

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dpardo
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Message 83 of 466 (148197)
10-07-2004 6:58 PM
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10-07-2004 4:46 PM


Hi Jar,
You said:
"The gift of salvation was freely given, given to all, given to saint and sinner, believer and non-believer."
How can you accept this gift of salvation without acknowledging God?
Logically, isn't acknowledgement/belief in the giver implicit in accepting this gift?

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dpardo
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Message 146 of 466 (149460)
10-12-2004 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by jar
10-12-2004 9:32 AM


Re: Back on Topic
Hi Jar,
You wrote:
I cannot imagine a loving GOD that would force anyone to live eternally. What a hell that would be. Instead, I would imagine that the individual would be given enough information to make an informed decision and that GOD would grant the individual's wish.
Can you please elaborate on this.

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