former speed of light

mechanics? How God split it, you mean?

To arkathon: Please state ANY quote from the bible (or otherwise) that suggests the existence of an entity/substance called "spiritual light" whose properties (speed, wave-properties, frequency ranges, etc.) differs significantly from those of our good-old "normal lights".Failure to do so implies that "spiritual light" is a make-believe product generated from the deepest and darkest (and dimmest) recesses of your imaginations. I know that the existence of "gob" doesn't check out with your bible, but the existence of your god does not check out on my scientology textbook (or Buddhist literatures, or Hindu myths, etc.).What I want to know is, how do you "know" that "'there just ain't no such thing'" as gob?Patiently awaiting your reply.

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No, I don't expect you to do that.But what we see are photons. All you need to do is explain the photons that reach the Earth.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I forgot the chapter and verse, but there is the story of Elijah and his servant. The king got pissed at Elijah because he kept telling his military secrets, so the king surrounded the town Elijah and his servant were in. Elijah's servant looked out at the armies and got scared. Elijah said don't worry "those who are with us are more than those who are against us." The servant still was not comforted. Then Elijah prayed, "Lord open his eyes so that he may see." and then the servant saw angelic armies in "chariots of fire". It is as if God opened the servant's eyes to a whole new spectrum of light revealing the spiritual world.This is exactly like what my friend Micah described as well.

"Explain the photons that reach the earth."
Under the split concept, the light that was left in our universe, as a reult, and, in place, came to exist in the form it now is. "An electron has a natural orbit that it occupies, but if you energize an atom you can move its electrons to higher orbitals. A photon of light is produced whenever an electron in a higher-than-normal orbit falls back to its normal orbit" (What Is Light? | HowStuffWorks)
So, in this case it sort of fell from the S state, into a now physical only universe, where, it continues to propagate along it's course, at it's present speed. So, as these photons reach earth, or continue to reach earth, they indeed started it would seem, at the distant stars. The time it would now take the photons incoming, at the speed they can exist at here (present speed) to travel to the star would be a billion years. (in this example). But in actuality, it took only several thousand years, because when our light came to be existant as the S was seperated, it now came in at it's very slow speed.

Still doen't seem to work.You're sure gonna have to do better than that.You said your super light took 0 seconds to reach the Earth. Okay, I'll buy that even though it is totally untestable and cannot be shown to exist.Now lets talk about the next photon.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Next photon? After the split, the way it seems to have come down, was that no longer was there in our universe S light. In it's place was the light that came to exist, in it's place, and which comes in even now. So, the light that comes, or came in after the split, either one, was probably the same. (I say probably because some feel there may have been some change in light speed)
So then, the light we see comes from a distant star and would take a billion years to get there. The light Adam,(after split) or whoever saw, also came from that distant star, also would have taken similar time to get there, at it's speed. So how did God split things, so as to leave in place light streaming from stars? Good question! I can see how this would make a lot of sense, though, would you want to leave it dark for Adam, and your creation, if you were God after you had to split the spirtitual away? No, I would just leave them with light enough to keep shining starlight in, because, after all, that is why He says He made the stars, for us to see! And to shine their light on the earth, why would He dream of spltting in a way that would defeat His Own purposes!

As usual you still haven't answered the question.How long did it take the next photon to get to the Earth?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

You obviously have some scenario in your mind. I don't see any reason for a big delay in photons here, do you?

You still have not answered a relatively simple question.How long did it take the next photon to get to Earth?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Post 88 answers this. If you have a specific question ask, otherwise I'll assume you just want to waste posts.

To Hangdawg13: I am sorry, but this is far from adequate. For all we know, we may not even need any "light" (normal or spiritual) to "see" the metaphysical world.Also, it would be fairly pathetic if arkathon had based the entire assertion - complete with speculations on properties of "spiritual light" and its ties with Genesis - on a single quote from the Bible that didn't even STATE the existence of said entity.I was hoping that he/she could provide better justifications than that.Thanks for your reply anyway. Let's hope arkathon replies to this instead of slinking away.

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"Respect is like money, it can only be earned. When it is given, it becomes pittance"

Actually, post 88 answered nothing.Here is the specific question yet again.How long did it take the first photon after the aleged seperation to get to the Earth.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Many cultures have found that serious fasting or hallucinogenic plants work just fine for "seeing" such things.

I've already said there could have been no significant stoppage of light. There was a day, for example in creation week, when we had light, even before the sun was made, or stars. So I won't rule out any delay at all, but I personally doubt there was any. When He split it apart, He did it so our light took over without any real delay. So cut with the 'how long' repeat beat bit.