Is the concept of The Fall reasonable?

Then God is not omnipotent and is as such, open to failure and making mistakes. God can whip up the universe in six days but isn't able to correct a blunder on his part? He can stop time but some things are immune to his power?We see that in the rainbow he presented to the world after the flood. "Oops, sorry guys. I was wrong to do this; my mistake." We see it in his naive questioning of Adam and Eve after they ate the forbidden fruit. He should have known right off the bat what they were thinking, but no, he questions them about their clothing. Who the heck was the idiot who put the snake in the garden? If it was the devil, as some suggest, he was a either a complete rube or an incompetent bumbler to let the snake inside. God made a mistake and then supposedly is making the rest of his 'children' pay for his idiocy?It makes for a great story, perhaps worthy of the greek tragedies, but then again it has so many holes in it it's a wonder people take it literally.

Seems to me God has made good use of a lot of pretty square shapes over the millennia though. He'll knock some corners off for sure, but with your zeal and grasp of theology I can easily see you as a pastor/elder (in my church they are supposedly the same office but of course our main pastor is the one with the true gift of preaching). He's been known to tame a rough one in a single encounter, flatten that mountain you claim you are in one glance. You never know.It's a CALL though, of course. If God wants you in that role, He'll let you know it.This message has been edited by Faith, 02-26-2006 05:54 PM

Oh how you turn good into evil.

I'd like the idea in theory. The whole subject of God is so fascinatingly broad: where to begin and where to end. But first a little less theology and a little more communing. Having seen the changes wrought in a relatively short time though, I would not underestimate himI'll let you know how Hell goes down. It may well freeze over

No i don't think he is questioning god only your interpretation of god.
Why is it wrong to question God? Didn't god make us with brains and minds to question? or is it merely that dogma says don't question things around you? maybe you can see one facelet of gods image but not all of god, i doubt any human in the history of any of the three religions has seen all the faces of god (jesus doesn't really count since i'm talking non-devine born people)

Omnipotent is a human-manufactured word. So lets look at it from a human perspective. If God can do anything at all then he should be able to make himself and everything else completely non-existant. When I mean non-existant, I mean totally non-existant.And then he should be able to make himself exist again.But how can something that doesn't exist make itself exist? There might well be difficulties understanding the Fall - but such irrationality ain't one of them("but such irrationality ain't one of them" ... and if you think you'll get away with that one you are drinking out of the bottle called wishful thinking iano)

deleted. Let he who has not sinned...This message has been edited by iano, 26-Feb-2006 11:29 PM

No kidding?Would you give me one (more if you would like) word that wasn't manufactured by humans?lfen

"The woman made me do it"Copyright Adam. I'm not sure what language he used, but the sentiment has travelled unimpeded through the abusive-to-woman ages.

Only if you don't do enough of that communing, and don't have lots of people praying for you -- as they should be praying for your regular preacher too of course.

We don't have a regular preacher. It can be any of a number of people: Hazel, Cassells, Simon, Mark, Miriam, Bill (American), Josiah (American), Sean etcMy place has a tradition of eldership without pastors. An attempt was made to go the full-time elder route a year or so ago but it didn't work out.Personally, I think varied teachers is better - it means that if a persons style happens not to gel then everyone can still get fed. And you get some interesting blow-ins too, from time to time.And to think I walked to it with shaking knees 4-odd years ago. Like, some of my best friends are Christians now!ps: didn't your avatar flicker at some point in the begining? Maybe I thought it did when it didn't but it would be cool if it didThis message has been edited by iano, 26-Feb-2006 11:41 PM

Aah... thats better. Evocative...Of course feel free to turn it off as you will at any time. It only makes me feel peaceful to see it's simplicityThanks Faith..for lotsNightThis message has been edited by iano, 27-Feb-2006 12:07 AM

Adam in your paraphrase of the book of Genesis is your example of non human language? Hebrew is not a human language?lfen

That's rather brilliant, iano.

Glad you think so RR. Much to my chagrin I must admit deriving the idea from another far more brilliant than me...whose sandals I am unworthy to untie"I am the way, the truth and the life - no one comes to the Father except through me""I am" Gods name for himself. Ever present, never past or future."the Truth"Everpresently the truth cannot ever lie. Stands to reason