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candle2
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Message 1456 of 1864 (908417)
03-14-2023 3:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1453 by Phat
03-14-2023 9:12 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Phat, this isn't a game. This is serious.
Yes, there are smart and dumb people in both partied.
But, the Democrats are pushing all the wokeness. They
are the ones telling pushing this sick transgender
ideology.
They are the ones pushing every anti-God policy that
is making Americans look like ignorant little kids.
I used to think that you were a rather intelligent
individual, but was I wrong.
You, Phat, are a hypocrite. You pretend to love God, but
The truth is that you do not even know who or what God
is.
From your own words, you have admitted that you do not
know whether God is one, two, or some sort of trinity.
How can you claim to love God when you have no idea
what God is?
You claim that women can be pastors, but the Bible says
otherwise. Talk about being arrogant.
I do not hate Democrats. I have kin and friends who are
Democrats. I hate what Democrats are doing to America.
They, like you, will defend their party to the death.
If I were talking this way about Conservatives, you be
cheering me on.
I realize that I might be booted off this forum, but it
doesn't matter. It will only go to show that Democrats
don't want honest debates.
Another short video on YouTube:
5 "facts" About January 6th we now know are Lies.
When you talk about social justice, you also mean
concepts such as white privilege and CRT.
My advise for anyone who think they are privileged
because of their whiteness is to do the right thing
and give your house and all your assets to blacks.
And then shut up about it.
CRT in schools are teaching black kids to hate white
kids. It teaches white kids that they should be ashamed
to be white.
God tells me that I am responsible for my sins, and no
one else's. I am responsible for my own actions and no
one else.
I refuse to listen to those who don't believe this.

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candle2
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Message 1457 of 1864 (908428)
03-15-2023 9:47 AM
Reply to: Message 1453 by Phat
03-14-2023 9:12 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Phat, many assume that the "comforter" in John 14 is a
personage before the pronoun for comforter is rendered
"he."
This same Spirit in Romans 8:26 is rendered "it."
Each pronoun is either masculine, feminine, or neuter.
The pronoun for spirit (pneuma) is neuter; therefore, it is
grammatical correct in Romans 8:26 to use it.
The Word comforter (parakletos) is masculine. It is why
the pronoun "he" is grammatically correct.
The pronoun has nothing to do with whether comforter
is an actual person or not.
The pronoun for bicycle (bicicleta) is feminine. It would
be correct to say "I rode my bicicleta; I rode her for hours.
John 14:18 Jesus said "I will not leave you comfortless:
I will come to you."
Jesus is our Comforter. He comes to us through the Holy
Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the invisible power of the Highest.
Both the Father and the Son control it. It contains the very
minds of Jesus and the Father. In that sense, it is not
impersonal.
In 1 John 2:1 Jesus is called our Advocate (parakletos).
John 14:20 "At that day ye shall know that I am in the
Father, and ye in me, and I in you."
There is no mention of a third member of the God family
here. There is just the Father, the Son, and those humans
that love the Father and Jesus.
John 14:21 "He that hath my Commandments, and keeps
them, he it is that loves me: and he that loves me shall be
loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest
myself to him."
Notice that it is Jesus who manifests Himself to us. He
does this through the invisible power of God, the Holy
Spirit.
John 14:23 "...If a man love me, he will keep my words,
and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him."
It is the Father and Son who comforts us. They reside
inside us via their Holy Spirit.

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Message 1458 of 1864 (908430)
03-15-2023 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1456 by candle2
03-14-2023 3:19 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
candel2 writes:
But, the Democrats are pushing all the wokeness. They
are the ones telling pushing this sick transgender
ideology.
The only ideology is personal freedom. People should be able to live their lives how they see fit.
They are the ones pushing every anti-God policy that
is making Americans look like ignorant little kids.
Liberals fully support religious rights, and this includes the religious right of not having the government force religion onto you.
I realize that I might be booted off this forum, but it
doesn't matter. It will only go to show that Democrats
don't want honest debates.
Projection at its finest.
CRT in schools are teaching black kids to hate white
kids. It teaches white kids that they should be ashamed
to be white.
CRT isn't being taught in schools.
God tells me that I am responsible for my sins, and no
one else's. I am responsible for my own actions and no
one else.

I refuse to listen to those who don't believe this.
All the while youa re telling everyone else how to live their lives. Go figure.

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Phat
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Message 1459 of 1864 (908434)
03-15-2023 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 1456 by candle2
03-14-2023 3:19 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
You have confirmed your own ignorance and arrogance.
I was mad at you for daring to tell me what I know about Jesus and Christianity. I know far more than you do. The hubris!

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Theodoric
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Message 1460 of 1864 (908437)
03-15-2023 2:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1456 by candle2
03-14-2023 3:19 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
What is "wokeness"?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Theodoric
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Message 1461 of 1864 (908438)
03-15-2023 2:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1458 by Taq
03-15-2023 11:28 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
He makes this claim while accepting original sin.
God tells me that I am responsible for my sins, and no
one else's. I am responsible for my own actions and no
one else.

I refuse to listen to those who don't believe this.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Tanypteryx
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Message 1462 of 1864 (908442)
03-15-2023 3:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1460 by Theodoric
03-15-2023 2:26 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
What is "wokeness"?
I keep hearing nutjobs use that term but other than assuming it is some kind of derogatory slur, but I have never seen an explanation or example to know what the fuck they're talking about.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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candle2
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Message 1463 of 1864 (908507)
03-16-2023 7:28 AM
Reply to: Message 1458 by Taq
03-15-2023 11:28 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Taq, you can really be proud to be a Democrat.
27 of top 30 crime - ridden cities run by Democrats.
Progressive policies that promote crime:
"Ending cash bail, defunding the police, refusing to
prosecute entire categories of crime, letting thousands
of convicted felons out of prison early, etc..." have led to
massive spikes in crime, especially violent crime.
The policy of not prosecuting certain areas of crime has
led to the closing of every WalMart store in the city of
Portland Oregon.
WalMart could not make a profit in Portland because the
Democrat controlled city refused to prosecute shoplifters.
People keep electing the same political party expecting
different results. Seems they never learn.
I stand by my assertion that I am responsible for my own
sins/crimes.
If I break the law, I should be held accountable. These
criminals should also be held accountable.
How can a political party pat itself on the back while
dramatically increasing the rate of violent crime?
If you do not believe that CRT is being taught in
many schools, it just goes to show your ignorance of
what is going on around you.
If you really cared, you would look into this.

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Dredge
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Message 1464 of 1864 (908515)
03-16-2023 8:37 AM
Reply to: Message 1463 by candle2
03-16-2023 7:28 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
candle2 writes:
27 of top 30 crime - ridden cities run by Democrats.
Do Democrats have brains? Or are they merely insane?

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Theodoric
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Message 1465 of 1864 (908524)
03-16-2023 9:43 AM
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03-16-2023 7:28 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
27 of top 30 crime - ridden cities run by Democrats
Source?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 1466 of 1864 (908527)
03-16-2023 10:11 AM
Reply to: Message 1462 by Tanypteryx
03-15-2023 3:06 PM


Woke As A Joke?
I heard it from my Conservative friend who loves Tucker and Fox News. Lets see what urban dictionary defines it as:
Urban Dictionary:

woke
Originally intended to mean "alert to civil rights issues" or "takes an enlightened approach to civil rights", its meaning has changed. It is now associated with adopting an obsessive, blinkered or deliberately obtuse approach to certain civil rights, particularly in relation to equality. It refers to an approach which is overall and on balance harmful to society, ignores context and counterpoints, and is ignorant of the wider ramifications of the position taken.
Under the pretense of being politically correct, the "woke" person is, ironically, asleep, in that they are ignorant of or unconcerned by the harms caused by their actions. Such harms may include:
• damage to freedom of expression and freedom of association
• the diminution of comedy, and artistic license in music, to the point that it becomes dull
• stifling of conversation
• fear of expressing an alternative opinion or calling out that which is evidently nonsense
• feelings of being browbeaten, helpless and living in a dystopian society
• diversion of societal focus away from more pressing issues affecting society
• the breakdown of language and societal structures
• discrimination and prejudice against others with particular characteristics - typically those who, in a particular location or organisation, are in a majority - under the guise of improving equality and acting on behalf of the minority.
The "woke" person may be acting in their own self-interests to achieve their own ends.
They is only one person, but they has a big effect on everyone around them. They's so woke that they can't function properly in life, it's hard to understand them, and even their friends can't keep track of their pronouns.
He's so woke that he's asleep.

Keep in mind, however, that
the Urban Dictionary is like Wikipedia. Its written by ordinary people.

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Theodoric
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Message 1467 of 1864 (908539)
03-16-2023 11:25 AM
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03-16-2023 10:11 AM


Re: Woke As A Joke?
What do you think it means?

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Phat
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Message 1468 of 1864 (908544)
03-16-2023 1:48 PM
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03-16-2023 11:25 AM


Re: Woke As A Joke?
That definition above articulates it very well. It is the word of social activism. It resonates more will liberal activism than with conservative activism, however. I doubt that many people would call the hillbillies on January 6th as woke. At best, they would be labeled as agitators.
Granted I read books by Peggy Noonan and others about White Privilege, but my response to it differed from some of my more liberally minded friends from college. If being woke means simply to be aware of the social climate, I might qualify as being woke...but im not gonna lie. the word implies brashness and a desire to overturn the social order and im not that guy.

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Theodoric
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Message 1469 of 1864 (908546)
03-16-2023 2:54 PM
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03-16-2023 1:48 PM


Re: Woke As A Joke?
You still have not defined it.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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candle2
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Message 1470 of 1864 (908547)
03-16-2023 3:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1468 by Phat
03-16-2023 1:48 PM


Re: Woke As A Joke?
Phat, I had as rough a childhood as anyone. When I Ieft
the orphanage at the age of 18 I was not prepared for
the challenges of life.
For years I smoked, drank, and took drugs. I have spent
time in many jails; the longest being 6 months. I barely
escaped prison several times.
People did not want me in their neighborhood, and looking
back I can't blame them.
I blamed everyone for my failures and shortcoming. This
gave me an excuse for not living up to my potential.
It was only after I took personal responsibility for myself
that I was able to turn things around. My place in life was
up to me and nobody else.
The banks did not loan me money simply because I was
white. Nor, did being white land me a good job.
I started doing home repair with an old pickup and
second hand tools. But, I gave my clients an honest
days work for an honest dollar. Soon my name spoke
For itself.
There was an elderly black man and his wife that I did
several jobs for.
He was born not long after the turn of the century. In
his day blacks were discriminated against. And, we
talked about each other's lives often. We had a good
deal of mutual respect for each other, and I often went
by just to chat with him.
He overcame by his determination, and he never allowed
his kids (he and his wife had 9) to sell themselves short,
nor did he allow them to blame their failures on others.
He was both a strong and good father. His kids have
turned out much like he was.
Personal responsibility is what kids need to be taught. It is
almost criminal to teach them otherwise.

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