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Remember this post? Do you have any further enlightenment?

Trying to be sarcastic, eh?In fact, Canada has been accepting refugees from the US as long as the US has existed: United Empire Loyalists, escaped slaves, Vietnam War resisters, etc. And during the Trump years, we had refugees crossing the border on foot, in winter, to get away from that bastard. I have worked with people from El Salvador who escaped from Reagan's death squads. I have worked with people from Chile who escaped from the American-supported dictator Pinochet. Refugees from the US are losing fingers and toes from frostbite trying to get into Canada. I could teach you a thing or two about sarcasm, too. Lesson One: Get your facts straight.

We do.And since you bring up your "conservative friend", here are some fun facts for you: (That would be my ancestors, who came from Ukraine.) The Ku Klux Klan in Saskatchewan

Phat, I don't have the free time to reply on this forum as
I did before volunteering at the local animal shelter.But, I like what I do just fine.What I do, and this was my idea, is I walk each dog for
twenty minutes, twice a week.The kennel usually has between 18-22 dogs. Sometimes
more.There is no telling how many miles I walk a week. But the
dogs love it.I watched the Ray Dalios video. And, much of what he says
is true. The two metrics of an empire's power that I see
America lacking greatly in is "education" and "military
strength."America has fallen behind in the other six metrics, but
without fixing the two I mentioned the problems cannot
be fixed.Consumer confidence in America is at an all time low.
This is true in America, but more so in others parts of the
world.I will comment on my take of America's situation in regards
it's educational system and military establishment in a
few days.

Ringo, you can't teach me anything.In any event, if you did not make such ignorant
statements there would be no reason to treat them
with sarcasm.Frostbite is all that Canada is good for.

I'm well aware of that. Your inability to learn has been noted, and not just by me.My replies to you are intended to prevent anybody else from falling for your nonsense. I don't hope to convince you that reality exists. (I don't believe in miracles.) Feel free to point out my ignorance - with actual facts, not just empty accusations. I will continue to point out your ignorance. If you had read my post (and feel free to check out the facts) you SHOULD have learned that Canada is also good for accepting refugees from American tyranny. Go ahead and try to refute anything I said.

And as a safe refuge for science.After Putin got Trump electoraled into office (he did lose the popular vote by three million) and before his inauguration, US scientists went into damage control mode.With incredibly accurate foresight, they anticipated that their research would disappear under Trump, so they started backing up everything they could overseas. Which I read as "a lot of it going to Canada" for safe keeping. And sure enough, data started disappearing, especially on government websites (at one point, the entire judicial branch disappeared).

Unwise, why are you not banned?Anyone who thinks that Putin had the power and skill
to put Trump into office should have a mental evaluation.I was under the impression that Ringo was the most
ignorant poster on this site, but you seem to envy him as
the leader.Cannota is welcome to all of our illegal immigrants. They
can have all of our tent cities and all the fentynal that goes
with it.They can have the enormous strain that II place on our
school and medical systems.They can have places like San Francisco, where the streets
are littered with garbage; feces; and, used syringes and
needless.The idiots can have the Democrat run cities, where crime
and murder rates increase exponentially.They can also have our science that is completely ignorant
of the differences between males and females. They
can have the science that thinks it is possible to turn
A male into a female and a female into a male.They can have our cost of living increases that exists
among all our goods and services.Give America back to Trump where gas was a $1.60
per gallon and eggs were $1.90 a dozen instead of
$5.20 a dozen, with no end to the increase in sight.

Ringo, you can't teach me anything because it would
require a loss of knowledge and common sense on my
part in order for you and I to be on the same level.You say that you do not believe in miracles. But life exists,
and there is no natural way for life to begin on its own.

I don't think it's possible for you to lose any knowledge or common sense. You're too firmly glued to what you think you know. Of course there is. There is no UNnatural way for it to begin.

Wow, you really are a stupid asshole. What do you keep your head shoved into that you are so clueless of ... everything? What an idiot you are! Putin certainly does have the power, being the totalitarian dictator of an oligarchy in which he's the richest oligarch (reference Bruce Wayne's line: "What's your superpower again?" "I'm very wealthy"). He doesn't need to have those skills himself (Are you really so stupid that you have no inkling at all how anything works? ), but rather he has minions and agencies (eg, FSB (formerly KGB), GRU) and troll farms working for him to provide the technical expertise as well as doing the actual work of disrupting elections (not just ours, but also those of NATO members as well as in Russia). His goal is to weaken the West by disrupting its governments.Putin definitely wanted Trump in office and Trump did his best to please Putin in every way he could. Such as weakening US national security and disrupting and weakening NATO -- it's a tribute to Biden's abilities that he was able to reunite NATO after the number that Trump did on it. Also weakening Ukraine (Obama had put measures into place to strengthen NATO and Ukraine, all of which Trump got rid of, or at least tried to). Trumpisti claim that there wouldn't be a war in Ukraine if Trump had been reelected, which is only true because Trump would have just given the country to Putin, wrapped in a ribbon and a bow.And Putin's assets did indeed interfere extensively with the 2016 election in an effort to install Trump, the "Kremlin Candidate". This is also evidenced by the massive collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, including Paul Manafort giving the Russians polling data that they needed to know where and how to target swing states. That is all detailed in the Mueller Report. What the fuck are you talking about? Who the fuck is that?Are you using your stupid little inadequate phone again? When you do, you should at least turn off its auto-corrupt feature. But far better, stop being an idiot and use your computer. Jessica H. Christ! What is wrong with you? You really are totally clueless!Actual examination and comparison of what illegal immigrants' contributions and burden to states show that their contributions far outweigh any burdens. We discussed it before you got here. Here are some links with that information:

• Policy Research
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• Policy Research
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• Policy Research

For example:

• They work, which contributes to the economy. Right now with inflation being brought under control (the entire world is suffering from inflation, but thanks to Biden's leadership we are doing far better than many other countries) and the jobless rate being the lowest it's been in the past 50 years, our economy is booming but we have more jobs available and not enough workers. Immigrants can fill those empty jobs, especially the ones that Americans refuse to fill (as we learned the hard way in 1964 with the A-TEAM ).
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• When people work, even immigrants, they spend money in the community. They pay rent. They buy things in stores, like food and clothing, which provides income for those stores who can then hire workers.
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  There was a one-business town in Ohio, a meatpacking plant that was staffed primarily by illegal immigrants. They were a part of the community which thrived ... until ICE rounded up the immigrants and the plant lost its most valuable employees. The local whites (who typically complained about immigrants taking their jobs) did not lift one finger to take up those jobs, the plant had to close until it could find workers, and the town's economy crashed. Finally, they were able to bring in Syrian refugees to start up the plant again and the town started to slowly recover.
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• Illegal immigrants are not eligible for most government benefits. And if you want to talk about them putting a strain on the medical system, the local citizens are already doing that in most parts of the country, especially in red states where the dumb-fuck Republicans ensure that nobody has medical coverage (which is also why hospitals in rural America close down at such a high rate).
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• Illegal immigrants do indeed pay taxes. When they buy something, they pay sales tax just like everybody else. When they pay their rent, they pay property tax (indirectly through the landlord) just like everybody else who rents. When they buy gasoline, they pay that tax too just like everybody else who buys gas.
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  And if they obtain a fake social security number (like the illegals that Trump has working for him at his resorts), then they also pay withholding for federal and state income tax as well as payroll taxes (eg, FICA) for social security and medicare. Note that they can never ever get any income tax withholding returned to them and they can never draw social security or medicare, so the government gets those taxes free of any burden.

I just heard that Canada is also suffering from a labor shortage like we are, so they've posted ads in the US telling our illegals to come to Canada to find work. So Canada's economy can grow and prosper while ours is being held back yet again by the dumb-fuck Republicans intent on screwing us over yet again. So just what the fuck are you talking about? Also, why haven't you contributed to the Radiocarbon Dating topic, Radiocarbon Dating Discussion with candle2?Are you conceding that you were completely wrong?

Ringo, you say that original life began by natural
processes.Where is your absolute proof of this.If you cannot provide absolute proof for your
assertion, then all you have is a belief.Beliefs are a dime a dozen.And this one belief casts great doubt on anything that
you hold to be true.What is really sad is that you place so much faith in a
belief that goes against a time-proven law of nature,
and that is simply that life cannot come from non life.

And you say that original life began by purely supernatural processes. What is your absolute proof of that?You cannot demand "absolute proof" from anybody else without being able (or at least willing to try) to provide absolute proof for your own position! Do not to others that which is displeasing to yourself! (the original Pharisee Golden Rule, Rabbi Hillel, c. 20 BCE, half a century before Jesus' purported use of it)Plus, it is a typical dishonest trick of dishonest creationists -- yes, I do realize that "dishonest creationist" is highly redundant -- to demand "absolute proof" for everything while refusing to present even the slightest trace of evidence themselves. Hypocrite! (since I very much doubt that you have ever actually read the Gospels, you undoubtedly are ignorant of what Jesus thought of hypocrites)Also, "absolute proof" does not exist, though it can be approached in mathematics and possibly in extremely simplistic situations, but most certainly not in the manner that you are using it. In the hands of you dishonest creationists, it's nothing but a cheap trick.If you can think of non-trivial things for which we have absolute proof, then do please list some of them. BTW, your perverse misinterpretation of religious texts does not count as "absolute proof" for anything.Rather we rely on preponderance of evidence. And, yet again, no, your perverse misinterpretation of religious texts does not count as evidence for anything ... except for your own perverse nature. What the hell nonsense are you talking about now? That makes absolutely no sense at all! Yet again, your abject ignorance of science betrays you.Laws are not an inherent part of Nature, but rather they are man-made descriptions of how we observe things to work normally and in normal conditions. There is nothing sacred nor absolute about them, nor can we expect them to hold in all situations.A few quick examples:

• What goes up must come down. Two exceptions come to mind immediately:
  1. When the object goes up at or exceeding escape velocity.
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  2. Smoke. Though that's only partially true since some particles will eventually settle back to earth while others will stay aloft in the atmosphere.
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     This one came to mind since I remembered one Red Ryder comic strip I read as a child. Little Beaver had just learned that truism in school and proudly repeated it to the old man (I forget his name). The old man took a deep draw from his pipe and blew the smoke out. They both watched the smoke keep rising. Little Beaver walked away not knowing what to think.
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• Kepler's Laws of Planetary Motion. Two places where they don't apply as stated:
  1. They only apply for a two-body system. The Solar System is not a two-body system. Even the earth-moon system is not a two-body system, but rather is influenced by a third body, the sun. For that matter, while Uranus was discovered accidentally, it didn't behave as it should as per Kepler's laws, which led to the discovery of Neptune. Same was true of perturbations in Neptune's motion leading to the discovery of Pluto.
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  2. The behavior of Mercury at perihelion could not be explained by Kepler's laws nor by any Newtonian law. The explanation had to wait for Einstein and relativity.
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• All objects in the same gravitational field fall at the same rate. But when we try that by dropping a feather and a hammer at the same time the hammer hits the ground first. That is because aerodynamic drag slows down the feather more than it does the hammer. Except in a vacuum like on the surface of the moon where both fall at the same rate and hit the lunar surface at the same time (video at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo8TaPVsn9Y ).

Similarly, your "Law of Biogenesis" is not absolute in all situations, but rather is a statement of our observations in the current situation of life already existing. If the first steps of life were still happening today, then its name would be "food" as it gets eaten by already existing life -- the earliest stages of original life could only arise in the absence of predators. Now, why would we think that life would have arisen by natural processes and not solely by supernatural means? It's quite obvious:

• We observe repeatedly that natural phenomena are produced by natural processes and never by any supernatural means. Even when we had long not understood what those natural processes were, in the end it has always proven to be by natural processes.
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  For that matter, we have never ever found any evidence of supernatural activity, let alone any evidence of the supernatural even existing. None whatsoever.
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• Even if some kind of supernatural influence had been involved, it would still need to have manifested eventually as natural processes.

We have abundant evidence of natural activity, so where is your evidence of supernatural activity?Again, your perverse misinterpretation of religious texts does not count as evidence for anything ... except for your own perverse nature.  Yes, and yours, which are slip-shod, contrary to reality, and born out of abject willful ignorance, are worth vastly less. 

Creos and fundies are unable to understand that laws and theories are accurate until they are not. Then science adjusts the laws and theories to incorporate the new data. The whole concept is not thrown away.

Not very wise, Cannota is Canada. A wise individual would
have figured this out without any difficulty.What happened to you in life that caused you to lose your
ability to reason?You state ignorant nonsense that any sensible individual
can see as stupidity.There is no way that Putin could determine the outcome
of the presidental election.How can someone seriously entertain any of your views
when you put forth such fantasy ideas.Trump did not want a weakened NATO. He wanted the
other members to pay their fair share. Why should
America pay for 85% of all NATO's military budget.You repeat the same old lies that NBC, MSNBC, ABC, CBS,
and CNN and all the other liberal media spew every day.
And that is that illegal immigrants benefit America.20,000 illegal immigrants crossing our border every day
is lunacy.Every one if them are given food, housing, and medical
care, free of charge.The vast majority of them will work in low skill, low
paying jobs, which will allow they to receive food stamps
an other benefits for life. Only a total idiot would think
that this is beneficial for America.Don't you just love it when the border states send these
immigrants to places such as Chicago, Nantucket, and
Washington D.C.?What do these hypocritical Democrats in these places do?You are right? They whine and complain about the extra
burden that it places on them. They cry like little girls.I have stated very plainly my stance on RCD. You know
What it is.