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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle writes: Cant... And you wonder why Division exists in religion and in politics! In politics, it got worse when Trump came along, but IIRC it started back when Bush(Dubya) and Gore were deadlocked....which had never before happened in a presidential election. In previous elections, one candidate or the other would usually decisively win (or lose) an election. The charismaniacs (Charismatics) and the rise of non-denominational churches sent the public face of Christian belief into a bizarro world. People fell out and talked in tongues back in the days of the "Great Awakenings" (but) The unholy combination of religious fervor and media exposure turned religion into a circus...a giant infomercial. And in politics, it was much the same. Except that the Conservatives run the religious circus while the Left runs the political media. It is all human nature writ large. It is a sign of the times and you are correct in that religion is declining. One side seeks authority to override the other side (think Supreme Court judges) while the other side seeks only a clear majority of the people. (made more difficult due to election fraud and uncertainty.) And I would argue that the people are willfully ignorant. Both sides! More on religion declining in your new topic.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Overusing the term "word salad" is much like the boy who cried "wolf".
Again, or maybe I should say still Why do you always criticize my posts and yet seem able to do nothing more than google written criticisms (of my authors) without having an original thought on their content? Could it be because your bias (and ego) are set in stone? One can only wonder... Don't expect me to read too much of Carrier if you don't force yourself to actually read Dalio. I see that you have taken up jars habit of attempting to demolish arguments simply by throwing out criticism and then reframing the argument. We really do need to learn to get along.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
But that post said nothing. It was random incoherent thoughts with no reasoning, argument or facts to support it. You comments of evolution and enlightenment were a mixture of equivocation and nonsense.
There is a huge difference between Carrier and Dalio. Carrier is a peer reviewed academic, writing within his expertise. Dalio is a rich guy that has no expertise in what he is writing about trying to turn pithy phrases stock comments into some sort of new age tech homespun wisdom.Your so called experts are never experts. I am not going to take my time to demolish them when others have done a much better job. I never heard of Dalio before you posted about him. Why would I read or listen to him when he is just some rich yahoo spouting crap. I researcehed him, found out he was a rich pretentious ass and decided he was not worth wasting my time. Am I not able to discount Nick Fuentes because I have not actually listened to him or read what he has written. Go ahead criticize Carrier. What is wrong with what he has written? Why should you discount it? What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Phat writes: And you wonder why Division exists in religion and in politics! I guess you didn't know that "cant" means 'sanctimonious talk of a religious nature' Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Go ahead criticize Carrier. What is wrong with what he has written? Why should you discount it? Because he attempts to discredit the whole belief of Christianity.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Phat writes: Because he attempts to discredit the whole belief of Christianity. You mean like Darwin did?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ringo Member (Idle past 412 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
America is not the envy of the world. The best-known phrase in the English language is, "Yankee, go home." Conserve means to conserve the ways of life that hasmade America the envy of the world. Since Trump, America has been either the joke of the world or the horror of the world.
Candle2 writes:
Look in the mirror. Isaiah 5:20-21 "Woe unto them that call evilgood, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!" Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Phat, Wales is primarily of the tribe Ephraim.
Ephraim, the youngest son of Joseph was to becomegreater than his brother Manasseh. Ephraim was to become a company of nations. And,Ephraim has fulfilled that. There was a time, and not long ago when the sun never set on the British Empire. And, America is the single greatest nation that has everexisted. English is the international language or commerce andindustry. The international monetary system is controlled by thedollar. These two nations are, in fact, brothers. They have hadtheir conflicts with each other, but no nations in history can fulfill the roles ascribed to them. I understand that the birthright blessings were withheldfrom them for many centuries, but Leviticus tell us why this was so. It was withheld until about 1800. In Genesis 22, God told Abraham (after Abraham waswilling to sacrifice his son Issac) that his descendants would be as the stars of heaven, and as the sand upon the sea shore. And, that his seed would possess the gates of theirenemies. First of all, the seed here was not referring to Ishmael.It pertained to Abraham's seed through Issac. Verse 18 states that all nations of the earth would beblessed through Abraham's actions. This refers to Jesus the Christ-a seed of Abraham. However, verse 17 refers to race, not grace. God, has no respect of person. All races are the same inHis eyes. If this were not so I could not love Him. During this present age He is working primarily throughIsrael and the nations that come into contact with it. As far as "gates" go, just a few years ago the U.S. andGB controlled such passes as Suez, Singapore, Straits of Magellan, Panama Canal, Gibraltar, etc... The other tribes of Israel inhabit such countries asHolland, Denmark. Northern France, Luxembourg, Switzerland, Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Belgium. The other nations of Israelites have a good standard ofliving, but the birthright brothers are on another level. I had two of these books, but I loaned them out andnever got them back. Our church does not get involved with politics. I sometimessay more than I should, but it is a difficult habit to break. It is fine to ask others what they think about the Identityof the Jews and Israel, but in the end we each have to decide for ourselves. My best advice is for you to read the book.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
candle2 writes: OK. I promise to read it if you watch the video of Ray Dalios book, or read the book itself. He talks a lot about Britain and the US as the two middle empires of the four he mentions. My best advice is for you to read the book.The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: The Welsh are a Celtic people. So, no.
quote: Is it really funny then? Because it sounds like a joke.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Phat, it's a deal. I will fit it in somehow.
I am beginning to wonder whether I should have volunteered at the other animal shelter. We are quite busy now, but I will look for either thebook or video at the libraries this week.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Phat, I followed your link. Must have overlooked it.
Will watch it. Might take me a few days to reply.
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
You obviously have not read what he has written
Henl is just presenting and exploring the evidence. That is how science works. It leads where it leads. What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Ringo, you are right. America is not the envy of the world.
Millions of people are dashing across our nation's bordersin a mad frenzy to escape America. At the current rate of Exodus America will have less than100,000,000 inhabitants in twenty years. It is really sad to see all these Americans escape toplaces such as Mexico; Honduras; Guatemala; and, other choice destinations. Immigrants are breaking down walls to get into Russia;China; Iran; and South Korea, just to name a few. I was wrong, but your big giant brain has set me straight.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
ringo lives in Canada. Ask him if Canada has any issues or restrictions on immigration. I have a conservative friend (like you, though he is not religious.) His parents came to America with virtually nothing. His Dad was from Portugal originally and his Mom came from Argentina. They "believed" in America as the great hope for opportunity and progress that it used to be, as you say and claim. With no formal education, they built their lives here. Dad was a jack of all trades, but he specialized at making shoes and working with leather. He had a job at Gates Rubber here in Denver and this family grew up on the "American Dream". Like my parents, they started out with nothing and made a decent living for themselves, teaching their children to do the same. The only reference to religion that I ever heard from him in regard to his parents was that his Mom was raised Catholic and wanted to become a nun at one point early in her life. Like you, (and perhaps men such as Ray Dalio) they believed in America and what it stood for. They expected (and received) no handouts. Comments?
The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” - Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You (1894). When both religious and non-religious people reach the same conclusions then you know religion isn't the reason.--Percy Nor are Democrats the best party or the only one we should have. -Phat,2022 addressing The Peanut Gallery.
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