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PaulK
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Message 871 of 963 (902047)
11-17-2022 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 866 by candle2
11-16-2022 5:12 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
quote:
Paulk, Exodus 32 tell about the Israelite making a golden
calf while Moses was on the mountain.

Aaron built an altar on which to place the golden calf.

The altar is still there.
You say that, but you need evidence - which you don’t have,
quote:
There are several petroglyphs of calves and bulls on large
boulders, much like those in Egypt
As I am sure you know perfectly well Exodus makes absolutely no mention of petroglyphs. And if you’ve done decades of research, you’ll know that only a few of those many petroglyphs have anything to do with cattle. Insisting that these few identify the site while ignoring the vast majority is hardly rational.
So no, there is no clear connection between these petroglyphs and the Exodus story.
I think we’ve got to the point where we can say that your claim of “overwhelming evidence” is certainly false.

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PaulK
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Message 872 of 963 (902048)
11-17-2022 12:34 AM
Reply to: Message 868 by candle2
11-16-2022 7:37 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
quote:
Paulk, if split rocks are not that rare, then it should be
quite simple for you to tell us about the one in the
Peninsula.
It will? Why? It’s not as if I’ve been there.

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Message 873 of 963 (902101)
11-17-2022 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 870 by Theodoric
11-16-2022 9:44 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Theodoric, when I post something you can take it to
the bank.
I have shown ample evidence for my assertion. I have
not been shown one ounce of evidence by Paulk or you.
And I know why!
You don't have any.
What can be asserted without evidence
For example, life was created by complex chemically:
Can also be denied without evidence.

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Theodoric
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Message 874 of 963 (902116)
11-17-2022 6:16 PM
Reply to: Message 873 by candle2
11-17-2022 2:47 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
If you had the evidence you would present it. You made the claim support it with evidence or withdraw the claim.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Taq
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Message 875 of 963 (902118)
11-17-2022 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 867 by candle2
11-16-2022 7:32 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
candle2 writes:
Paulk, at Mount Sinai (Jabal al Lawz) we have the cave
of Elijah; altar of Moses; wells; golden calf altar; an old
stream that ran down: blackened top; 3000 graves
cemetary; lakebed; petroglyphs of bulls; and, Moses'
speaking platform located a little ways up the mountain.
Ron Wyatt has been dead for years, and he's still conning people. Amazing.

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Message 876 of 963 (902119)
11-17-2022 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 875 by Taq
11-17-2022 6:31 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Taq, Wyatt is just one of many who has come out with
such overwhelming evidence for the uweiba Beach
crossing.
Personally, I believe that only a nut would accept that
Moses parted the swamp of the Sea of Reeds. Or that
Mount Sinai is in the Egyptian Sinai without a single
Piece if evidence to support either.
Don't you agree?
An ancient Saudi map (look it up) identifies Nuweiba
Beach as Nuwayba' al Muzayyinah.
In other words, "Waters of Moses opening."
You believe what you believe without one ounce of proof.

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Theodoric
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Message 877 of 963 (902120)
11-17-2022 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 876 by candle2
11-17-2022 6:59 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Present the map.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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PaulK
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Message 878 of 963 (902126)
11-18-2022 12:28 AM
Reply to: Message 873 by candle2
11-17-2022 2:47 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
quote:
Theodoric, when I post something you can take it to
the bank.
You claimed to have “overwhelming evidence”. That wasn’t true.
You claimed to have a site that exactly matched the Biblical description of the crossing site. That wasn’t true.
You claimed that the dark top of the mountain you call Mt Sinai was evidence. That wasn’t true.
quote:
I have shown ample evidence for my assertion. I have
not been shown one ounce of evidence by Paulk or you.
And that is a blatant falsehood. By what standard can you possibly claim that this is true?

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PaulK
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Message 879 of 963 (902127)
11-18-2022 12:33 AM
Reply to: Message 876 by candle2
11-17-2022 6:59 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
quote:
An ancient Saudi map (look it up) identifies Nuweiba
Beach as Nuwayba' al Muzayyinah.

In other words, "Waters of Moses opening."

You believe what you believe without one ounce of proof.
Oyun Musa, previously referred to means “The Wells of Moses”. But apparently you don’t consider that evidence of anything.
Perhaps you can give a reliable source for your “translation” because there seems to be substantial disagreement on the matter.
(And I really would like to know how an “ancient” map could be “Saudi”, when Saudi Arabia only took that name in the 1930s)

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Theodoric
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Message 880 of 963 (902129)
11-18-2022 7:26 AM
Reply to: Message 876 by candle2
11-17-2022 6:59 PM


Names are proof of nothing
In our neghboring state there is a city named Minneapolis, that must be evidence that the Greeks settled that area.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Message 881 of 963 (902158)
11-18-2022 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 873 by candle2
11-17-2022 2:47 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
candle2 writes:
I have shown ample evidence for my assertion...
You have parroted Ron Wyatt's lies.

Come all of you cowboys all over this land,
I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command:
To hold a six shooter, and never to run
As long as there's bullets in both of your guns.
-- Woody Guthrie

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Message 882 of 963 (902161)
11-18-2022 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 851 by candle2
11-16-2022 1:04 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
There are even photos of a golden chariot wheel. Corals
don't attach to gold. Could this have been from the
Pharoah's own chariot?
Got pictures for you.
Pharaohs Chariot with accompanying anti-air guns.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 883 of 963 (902232)
11-19-2022 4:29 PM
Reply to: Message 879 by PaulK
11-18-2022 12:33 AM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
Paulk, I have more to post, but before I do, tell me if you
honestly believe the Pharoah's entire military drowned in
six inches of water?
On top of that, do you also believe that this six inches of
water so completely destroyed all evidence of the
Egyptian military that not a trace remained?
Have you not read that the Israelites traveled both day
and night? Yes, 24 hours a day.
The Israelites were super fit. The pillar of cloud protected
them from the sun during the day. The pillar of fire lit the
way for them at night.
The Israelites left Egypt on the 15th, the day after
Passover.
The days of unleavened bread lasts a week. We are not
sure of how many days they traveled before reaching
Etham. This was their first camp after Succoth.
The Israelites had plenty of time to reach Etham on the
far side of the wilderness.
You seem to think that the Israelites would travel a few
hours and camp, but this is completely opposite of what
the Bible tells us.
God, through Moses, had just defeated Egypt's ten most
revered gods with the ten plagues.
He gave the Israelites the power and stamina to travel
24 hours a day-for days in a row.
Moses stated that God carried them on eagle's wings.
Metaphorically he sustained them.
Access to Nuweiba from Etham is through the Wadi
watir (wadi valley).
Numbers 33 has the Israelites turning this way and that
in order to get to Nuweiba.
This perfectly describes what happens if one approaches
Nuweiba from the enterior. It forces one to change
direction and turn away from the direction of the camp
at Etham.

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Theodoric
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Message 884 of 963 (902233)
11-19-2022 4:43 PM
Reply to: Message 883 by candle2
11-19-2022 4:29 PM


Any corroborating evidence?
It never happened.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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PaulK
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Message 885 of 963 (902234)
11-19-2022 4:56 PM
Reply to: Message 883 by candle2
11-19-2022 4:29 PM


Re: Jewish chronicles and the big
quote:
Paulk, I have more to post, but before I do, tell me if you
honestly believe the Pharoah's entire military drowned in
six inches of water?

No, because I don’t believe that the Bitter Lakes were only six inches deep. I think you made that up. Of course, I don’t believe that the Pharoah’s army drowned at all.
quote:
On top of that, do you also believe that this six inches of
water so completely destroyed all evidence of the
Egyptian military that not a trace remained?
Aside from the six inches being your invention, aside from the fact that there is plenty of time for the remains to be lost, apart from the fact that you have yet to provide any significant evidence that the supposed remains at Nuweiba have anything to do with the Exodus and aside from the fact that events that never happened wouldn’t leave evidence?
quote:
Numbers 33 has the Israelites turning this way and that
in order to get to Nuweiba
No it doesn’t. 33:7-8 is the only part that deals with the approach to the crossing site (which certainly is not Nuweiba)
7 They set out from Etham and turned back to Pi-hahiroth, which faces Baal-zephon, and they camped before Migdol. 8 They set out from Pi-hahiroth, passed through the sea into the wilderness, went a three days’ journey in the wilderness of Etham, and camped at Marah.
Nothing about a wadi, or having to “turn this way and that”. Indeed according to Exodus they were camped at Etham when the instruction to go to Migdol arrived (13:20 and 14:1-2).
Funny how these “exact” matches turn out to be no match at all.

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