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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
candle2 writes:
Could be. Or he could have been writing fiction.
Ringo, read Luke 24:25-27... What was Luke's issue? Was he lying? Was he deceived? Was he doing mushrooms, which caused him to hallucinate? candle2 writes:
You might not have noticed but the phrase "so that the prophecy would be fulfilled" appears fairly often in the Gospels. It seems that either Jesus did some things so that prophecy's would SEEM to be fulfilled by Him (which doesn't count as fulfilled prophecy)... OR... the gospel writers inserted that phrase to artificially link the prophecies to Jesus (which doesn't count as fulfilled prophecy).
In other words, Jesus stated plainly that He pointedout to all the OT prophets all the OT scriptures that pertained to Him. candle2 writes:
OR... He could have read the Torah.
In order for Him to have been able to do that He wouldhave, by necessity, had pre-existence before His human birth by Mary. candle2 writes:
OR... to read the Bible. The only way you can maintain that Christ was not theCreator of all that exists is to deny, deny, deny. Everything you have posted is extremely weak.
candle2 writes:
You're as bad as Phat. Skepticism is by far the best way to reach a reasonable conclusion. And, that is not a good premise in which to reach areasonable conclusion. Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Skeptical ringo writes: So say The Exodus is fiction.Did the Exodus Never Happen? | Christianity Today quote:Note how the motives of the minions are exposed as blatant attacks on all things that would support any Biblical narrative. These people...these atheists...have an ax to grind. quote: I've always said that the jury is still out. The article in CT concurs.
quote: candle2, check out the link. Ringo likely thinks he knows it all anyway, and likely won't read the article. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Tangle Member Posts: 9489 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
The jury has been back for years. The Exodus is pure myth.
quote: The Exodus - WikipediaJe suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ringo Member (Idle past 411 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Phat writes:
Read Job. Satan is God's minion.
So say Satans Minions.... Phat writes:
Hmm...? Your own quote says, "If you guys think I—or the Israeli archaeologists—am looking for the Israelite conquest archaeologically, you're wrong. We've given that up. We've given up the patriarchs." But not all agree.Did the Exodus Never Happen? | Christianity Today I don't see how that disagrees with me.
Phat writes:
I note that motivations are irrelevant to the actual facts. And there are no actual facts supporting the Exodus.
Note how the motives of the minions are exposed... Phat writes:
Yes. That is how science is done.
The accounts were now seen as fictional until proven factual, guilty until proven innocent Phat writes:
And you've nearly always been wrong about that. The jury could be in, the verdict announced, the perpetrator sentenced and executed - and you'd still say the jury was out.
I've always said that the jury is still out. Phat writes:
It doesn't though, does it? It expresses a hope that some day in the future, evidence might be found.
The article in CT concurs. Phat writes:
The parts you quoted don't support you. Feel free to quote something that does. Ringo likely thinks he knows it all anyway, and likely won't read the article.Come all of you cowboys all over this land, I'll teach you the law of the Ranger's Command: To hold a six shooter, and never to run As long as there's bullets in both of your guns. -- Woody Guthrie
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
There is no Solomonic gate. The gate at Gezer dates to a much later time period. I have actually been there. It is a cool site.
Who is the Atheist in your mind? Dever is the only atheist in that group The jury is not out about your "sacred" books being accurate historically. They are not. Biblical archaeology was like creation science. There was a conclusion they wanted to reach and they searched for evidence to support it. Discounting anything that did not meet the narrative. In the last 40 years, the biblical aspect has been subsumed and has had less and less of an influence on modern scholars. Now they analyze the data and let it lead them to a conclusion. The conclusion does not support your books of mythology. If it did, then there would be published research showing this.What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Tangle, the Israelites crossed the Red Sea at the Gulf of
Aquaba. The exact sight is at Nuweiba Beach. The location of Mt. Sinai is in Saudi Arabia. The evidence is overwhelming and fits perfectly withthe account in Exodus. I would advise everyone to watch the videos and readthe articles about Nuweiba Beach and the Red Sea Crossing. I have been looking into this for several decades.
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: Highly unlikely, the Gulf of Aqaba is too deep.
quote: It’s been discussed here, and that is really unlikely.
quote: The traditional location fits better.
quote: The evidence is really, really underwhelming.
quote: Only if you want to laugh at them.
quote: Obviously you haven’t been looking very hard.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Paulk, there is no other location that fits the Biblical
description of the Red Sea crossing. If you believe there is, then state your location. But, itwon't add up.
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Tanypteryx Member Posts: 4344 From: Oregon, USA Joined: Member Rating: 5.9
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It's fiction. It never happened.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
I have been looking into this for several decades. At any time in all those "several decades" that you've been "looking into this", had it never ever occurred to you to look at a map? A cardinal rule in doing research is verify, verify, verify! If you had ever bothered to even try to verify your "findings", then you would not have made such utterly stupid assertions.
The location of Mt. Sinai is in Saudi Arabia. Wrong! The location of Mt. Sinai is towards the tip of the Sinai Peninsula, which is located between the Suez Gulf to the west and the Gulf of Aquaba to the east. The Sinai Peninsula is in Egypt (though occupied by Israel from 1967 to 1982), not in Saudi Arabia which is east of the Gulf of Aquaba.
Look at a map! Tangle, the Israelites crossed the Red Sea at the Gulf of Aquaba. The exact sight is at Nuweiba Beach. Fire up Google Earth and look! Nuweiba Beach is at 28°58'52"N 34°41'08"E . Move your mouse cursor over the gulf at that "crossing" and you will see that the depth of the gulf at that point is more than 2000 feet DEEP! Really? You never checked that out? Also, why there? Why would the escape route of the Israelites take such an enormous detour? To the west of that terrain is mountains more than 1000 feet high. On the other side of the gulf to the east that terrain is also mountainous rising to over 2000 feet. What overland route did they and the Egyptian army with their war chariots take to get there in the first place? What you propose is not only obviously false, but also completely insane.
I would advise everyone to watch the videos and read the articles about Nuweiba Beach and the Red Sea Crossing. What videos? What articles? I cannot find where you ever presented link to any such "sources". But rather, you need to view and read them, take copious notes, and verify each and every claim that they make! That verification procedure will require you to look at the maps. Topographical maps which include the depth of the water in the gulf. Until you do that, then all we can say is "Fuck your stupid videos and articles! THEY ARE LYING TO YOU!" Edited by dwise1, : Added "DEEP" to "the depth of the gulf at that point is more than 2000 feet DEEP!" just to make it much clearer that we're talking about water depth
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9076 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.7 |
There is no evidence. If there was you would present it.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness. If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?
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PaulK Member Posts: 17822 Joined: Member Rating: 2.2 |
quote: There is no real description of the site, beyond “before Pi Hahiroth, between Migdol and the sea, opposite Baal Zephon”. These locations are all uncertain, except perhaps Migdol. Even the idea that the text should be translated as meaning the Red Sea is in question. Beyond that, all we can say is that the location is implied to have been flat and level enough for chariots to be a major threat. Nuweiba does not fit that description, and certainly not the actual crossing.
quote: If it - or anything like it - ever happened (it probably did not) the most likely site is at or near the former Ballah Lakes (now occupied by the Suez Canal). That is where Migdol was.
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candle2 Member Posts: 827 Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Paulk, I have had problems accessing the site the past
couple of days. I don't know why. The Bible says a good deal about the description of theroute that the Israelites took. I will get to that in another post. Right now I want to relay what NASA discovered in 1991. In 1991 Saddam Hussein (Iraq) had his troops bury 1500tanks up to the turrets along the Saudi border. He concealed them. The United States determined that the tanks (metal)would heat up during the day and when the land cooled at night infrared would permit them to locate each and every tank. The infrared cameras were sensitive enough to detect atemperature difference of just half a degree F. The infrared cameras pinpointed the exact route of theExodus. It pinpointed a thin red line from Succoth through the wilderness of the Red Sea, through the Wadi Watir, to Nuweiba Beach, on the Gulf of Aquaba. The thin red line continued on the other side of the RedSea, and continued on to Jabal Al Lawz (Mt. Sinai) in Saudi Arabia. NASA theorized that the roughly two and a half millionIsraelites, plus their livestock and other animals pulverized the sand into a fine powder that hardened and was then covered by a layer of sand. The hard-packed route would collect more heat from thesun and the night-time differences in temperature would show up on infrared. It shows the exact route that the Bible lays out. This is an undeniable fact.
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dwise1 Member Posts: 5930 Joined: Member Rating: 5.8 |
Paulk, I have had problems accessing the site the past couple of days. I don't know why. I couldn't access the site for a couple hours this morning. Couldn't even ping it. So it looks like the site has been down.
{ usual nonsense } NASA, huh? Is that the same NASA lab that in the mid-60's used a lunar orbit prediction program that discovered and confirmed Joshua's Long Day? Do follow that link, BTW.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8513 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.3
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This is an undeniable fact. Eminently deniable since your info is bogus as is anything else Ron Wyatt puts out. NASA reported no such bullcrap, ever, and the exodus was a myth. The only references you can cite are religious charlatans with no original sources, only lies. Show us the original government documents, unfiltered thru your charlatan sites, or admit it's all crap. I defy you to show any viable evidence of this NASA claim or any evidence of this exodus foolishness.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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