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Author Topic:   The Meaning Of The Trinity
Phat
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Message 541 of 1864 (899086)
10-08-2022 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 538 by Dredge
10-07-2022 9:58 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Dredge writes:
Jesus said the HS "will guide you into all the truth" (John 16:13), but nCCs don't know what "all the truth" is bcoz they don't know anyone who has "all the truth"!
Im assuming that nCCs=non Catholic Christians
And why would I believe that only the Pope is privy to having the Holy Spirit? Or do you suggest that Cardinals can get Spooktacular results too?

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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nwr
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Message 542 of 1864 (899088)
10-08-2022 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 540 by Phat
10-08-2022 12:44 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Why cant it be both, acting in Communion?
That seems to leave is with two possibilities:
(1) Phat doesn't exist, except as God's puppet;
or
(2) God doesn't exist, except as Phat's puppet.
I think I prefer the second of those.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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AZPaul3
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Message 543 of 1864 (899098)
10-08-2022 2:14 PM
Reply to: Message 538 by Dredge
10-07-2022 9:58 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
The first mistake non-Catholic Christians (nCCs) make ...
Not everyone agrees with your views of catholic supremacy. Message 539

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 544 of 1864 (899106)
10-08-2022 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 541 by Phat
10-08-2022 12:47 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Phat writes:
I'm assuming that nCCs=non Catholic Christians
No need to assume ... I made that obvious in the previous post when I wrote, "non-Catholic Christians (nCCs)"
And why would I believe that only the Pope is privy to having the Holy Spirit?
I don't know. I'm not aware of anyone who believes that.
Or do you suggest that Cardinals can get Spooktacular results too? 
The Holy Spirit is at work in every Christian, but in a special way in the bishops of the Church, and in a more special way still in the bishop of Rome, the Pope (who holds the "keys of the kingdom of heaven" - Matt 16:19).
The Holy Spirit works through the Pope and the bishops to ensure that the Church's teachings are infallibly correct and are faithfully passed on to each generation.

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candle2
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Message 545 of 1864 (899118)
10-08-2022 5:25 PM
Reply to: Message 518 by dwise1
10-05-2022 7:12 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Dwise 1, you seem to think that God did not know that
there would be all these different denominations and
religions.
You seem to think that God is trying with all His might to
convert humanity during this present age.
Why do you think this?
The truth is that you have no idea why God allows
human suffering?
You try to rely on philosophy, but in this situation
philosophy is worthless.
Those who don't understand what God is doing can
and will become very angry with Him. In fact, they
can grow to hate Him. He understands this, but He
will not deviate from His plan.
In their philosophical world they believe they are right
in condemning God. They never seem to understand
that if their premises are wrong that their conclusions
will be wrong.
1 Cor. 2:11 " For what man knows the things of a man,
save the Spirit of man which is in him? Even so the
things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God."
Humans have a spirit in us, but it is not another person.
Neither is the Spirit of God another person.
Our spirit can can fellowship with God's Holy Spirit. This
is why humans can create and accomplish marvelous
feats that others animals can't.
With our human spirit we can think and dreams of other
places, but we are limited.
God has a body. He has a face, hands, etc... He is in one
place, but His Holy Spirit is everywhere in the universe.
There is no place where His Holy Spirit is not at.
God can act through His Holy Spirit at any place and any
time.
Through His Holy Spirit God is omnipotent, omnipresent,
and omniscient.
If the Holy Spirit were a person then he would require a
Spirit in order to be everywhere at the same time.
The Holy Spirit is not an impersonal force. It contains the
minds of both the Father and the Son.

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Dredge
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Message 546 of 1864 (899124)
10-08-2022 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 539 by candle2
10-08-2022 10:22 AM


Re: Topic Synopsis
candle2 writes:
300 of the 318 delegates at Nicaea (325 AD) were
intimidated into voting in favor of the trinity.
Hilarious. Protestant myths are so entertaining.
The universal Church strictly forbad it subjects from owning Bibles. They also refused the Bible to be written in any language except Latin.
... and for good reason. Once the masses got hold of the Bible, any ignoramus or idiot could read it and invent erroneous and heretical doctrines, stupidly claiming to be "led by the Holy Spirit".
That's why there now exist 46,000 fake churches, all teaching fake Christianity based on fake doctrines based on fake interpretations of the Bible.

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candle2
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Message 547 of 1864 (899129)
10-08-2022 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 546 by Dredge
10-08-2022 6:47 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Dredge, it doesn't take a good deal of effort to look into
the history of the Catholic Church. I suggest that you
read all you can about it.
Simon Magus (the sorcerer), was the sorcerer in Acts
who tried to buy to buy the power of the Holy Spirit.
Several historians record that he went to Rome and
performed miracles that garnered him much fame.
His miracles were performed with demonic assistance.
Simon the Sorcerer began a religion that developed, with
the assistance of Satan, into Catholicism.
The RCC is perhaps the most evil and vile organization
on earth.
The members of the RCC are deceived. God will, after the
second resurrection, open their eyes to His truths. They
will then be offered their first true opportunity to become
members of the God family.
The Pope, Cardinals, and Bishops know that they are in
league with Satan and his demons. They have sold
themselves to Satan for power and prestige.
There no longer remains a sacrifice for them. They will
be resurrected just long enough to be sentenced to the
second death, which is permanent.

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Dredge
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Message 548 of 1864 (899130)
10-08-2022 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 547 by candle2
10-08-2022 7:41 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
candle2 writes:
The RCC is perhaps the most evil and vile organization
on earth ...

The Pope, Cardinals, and Bishops know that they are in
league with Satan and his demons. They have sold
themselves to Satan for power and prestige.
Thanx for the laughs.
Which demented fake-church do you belong to? Are you a Calvinist, by any chance?

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candle2
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Message 549 of 1864 (899151)
10-09-2022 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 548 by Dredge
10-08-2022 8:47 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Dredge, the RCC has numerous daughter churches
that still keep many of her man-made traditions.
Even though these daughter churches insist
they are not now, nor were they ever, associated
with the RCC, they have adopted many of her
doctrines. Doctrines that are not supported by
the Holy Bible.
Among these doctrines are:
Sunday worship. Sunday is the mark of both
the Roman Empire and its image, the RCC.
Immortality of the soul.
Eternal suffering in hell fire.
Going to heaven as our reward.
The trinity.
And there are many more that contradict clear
Biblical teaching.

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nwr
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Message 550 of 1864 (899154)
10-09-2022 10:15 AM
Reply to: Message 549 by candle2
10-09-2022 9:34 AM


Re: Topic Synopsis
And there are many more that contradict clear
Biblical teaching.
I'll just note that clear Biblical teaching is not at all clear.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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candle2
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Message 551 of 1864 (899155)
10-09-2022 10:23 AM
Reply to: Message 550 by nwr
10-09-2022 10:15 AM


Re: Topic Synopsis
NWR, they are clear.

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Phat
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Message 552 of 1864 (899156)
10-09-2022 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 551 by candle2
10-09-2022 10:23 AM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Ask him specifically what it is that is unclear. This could take all day.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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ringo
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Message 553 of 1864 (899158)
10-09-2022 2:20 PM
Reply to: Message 549 by candle2
10-09-2022 9:34 AM


Re: Topic Synopsis
candle2 writes:
Sunday worship. Sunday is the mark of both
the Roman Empire and its image, the RCC.
So you're an SDA?

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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candle2
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Message 554 of 1864 (899159)
10-09-2022 2:44 PM
Reply to: Message 553 by ringo
10-09-2022 2:20 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
Ringo, I am not a Seventh Day Adventist. I have never
attended one SDA meeting.

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ringo
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Message 555 of 1864 (899160)
10-09-2022 3:02 PM
Reply to: Message 554 by candle2
10-09-2022 2:44 PM


Re: Topic Synopsis
candle2 writes:
I am not a Seventh Day Adventist.
But you're against Sunday worship?
(And much of the creationist crap that we hear originated with the SDAs.)

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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