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ringo Member Posts: 19784 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.8 |
Possible is clearly defined. You can look it up as easily as anybody.
As I said, that has nothing to do with any Trinity. You can have a cook and a waiter working together in a restaurant. That doesn't make them one person.
Nope. Poly is poly and mono is mono and never the twain shall meet. A creator can't just declare that black is white.
The next time a customer's bill comes to $3 and he offers you $1, maybe you'll see the logic.
You're the one who argues against that when you say that God can't be evil. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 16107 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
The dusty old book explains itself quite well. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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ringo Member Posts: 19784 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.8 |
Then why do you reject it when it says things you don't want to hear? "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 16107 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
why must I listen to a character in a book? Seems a bit obsessive to me.
And if you care to share, why did you lose your house? "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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ringo Member Posts: 19784 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.8 |
Duh! You call yourself a "Christian". Christ is the character in the book. It's like calling yourself a Marxist and disagreeing with what Marx said. I keep asking you, if you're going to make up your own character, why do you even call him "Jesus"?
Not nearly as crazy as communing with voices in your head. That's Charles Manson territory. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 16107 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You can't hold me to a standard that you don't believe to be real. And if you argue that you can, I ask you why my Jesus cannot be considered. The other Jesus is the product of human authorship....whats the difference? Edited by Phat, : No reason given. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Phat Member Posts: 16107 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
You can't argue my argument borrowing my beliefs to do so when you in fact (as does Tangle) see only characters in a book. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Tangle Member Posts: 8580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
Try, really try, to get your head round this. It's important. Not to us but to you. We're trying to point out that you're not holding yourself to your own standard. It's not a defence to say that we don't believe what you believe. You're just deflecting. If you're honest, you'd address what's being said. Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Phat Member Posts: 16107 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
My excuse, if I have one, is Message 497 Romans 3:10-11.
You don't get that nobody does what they should, though some put on a show. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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Tangle Member Posts: 8580 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.0 |
I think you'll find that that is exactly our point. You're the guy that talks to Jesus remember? You're the one that's saved. Yet you appear to be exactly like everyone else. Except you do the "Lord, Lord, Lord" stuff and watch a lot of YouTubes of people just like you. How does that work? Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona "Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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ringo Member Posts: 19784 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.8 |
You expect people to believe there is a real Jesus alive today, and he's the one you made up, not the one in the Bible? Come on. Does that make sense to you at all? As I keep asking you, if you think the Bible authors got it so wrong, why do you even use the same name for your version? Why don't you call your savior George?
For one thing, there are four gospels. If you're going to make up your own religion, you should have three more apostles that support your story. Edited by ringo, : Spell'ng. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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Phat Member Posts: 16107 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Your excuse has been that you are not a believer. Essentially you only use the parts of the message that support Socialism...which you like. The idea that you don't need to pay taxes to Caesar, perhaps? The fact that nothing belongs to any of us anyway and is essentially communally shared? The idea that the ravens (and liberal neighbors) will feed you and give you spare change? Truly we differ. Edited by Phat, : No reason given. "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain " *** “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox “The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.” “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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ringo Member Posts: 19784 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.8 |
Not at all. Not even close. The voices in your head are not audible. I can not hear them.
The difference is the word you hate so much: evidence. There is evidence of the made-up book. There is no evidence that the voices in your head are real.
It has nothing to do with whether you think it's "good" or not. It's about whether He said it or not. If you don't believe He said it, then you have no basis for believing He said He was the Son of God and you have no basis for believing He said He was coming back.
So why was he deranged when he heard voices in his head and you're not? Why was he harboring demons and you're not?
Utter nonsense. Whether or not the character is real has nothing to do with it. You're trying to hijack the character, whether he was real or not. You could make up your own Long John Silver and claim yours is real and Stevenson's was not. Or you could make up your own Franklin Delano Roosevelt and claim yours is real and Eleanor's was not. You'd be just as crazy in those cases as you are in claiming your Jesus is real and the Biblical one is not. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member Posts: 19784 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.8 |
It doesn't matter if nobody does it. The point is that you're claiming Jesus never said what He said. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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ringo Member Posts: 19784 From: frozen wasteland Joined: Member Rating: 2.8 |
Nope. You can't get away with that. You claim to believe in Jesus. I don't. I don't have any reason to do what a fictional character said. But if you believe He isn't fictional, you do have an obligation to do what He said. As for your Bible quote, why do you believe Jesus when He said He didn't have a demon? Why do you believe Jesus when He said he honored His Father? Why do you believe Jesus when He said He didn't seek His own glory? Why do you believe Jesus when He said He knew the Father and kept His word? And yet you don't believe Him when He tells you to do something.
It doesn't take any "gall' to tell the truth. And you know it's true: You don't throw away your bills can keep the envelopes.
And it's a pretty damn good excuse. You don't believe in Zoroaster and you don't do has he says. You don't believe in Qutetzalcoatl and you don't do what he says. Why would you?
Go ahead and show us the parts that don't support socialism.
What are you talking about? I have always advocated paying taxes.
I have never said any such thing.
That's the Bible's idea.
Well, go to the door and pull your brain out of it's parking place. "I've been to Moose Jaw, now I can die." -- John Wing
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