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PK writes:I say that God’s foreknowledge makes him responsible for the consequences of his actions - because they are all foreseeable - and forseen by him. And as the creator of all, that includes everything.

PK writes:I don’t believe that libertarian free will can exist.

Wiki writes:Question: "What is libertarian free will?" Answer:Libertarian free will is basically the concept that, metaphysically and morally, man is an autonomous being, one who operates independently, not controlled by others or by outside forces. According to the Pocket Dictionary of Apologetics & Philosophy of Religion (InterVarsity Press, 2002), libertarian free will is defined as in ethics and metaphysics, the view that human beings sometimes can will more than one possibility. According to this view, a person who freely made a particular choice could have chosen differently, even if nothing about the past prior to the moment of choice had been different. In the libertarian free will paradigm, the power of contrary choice reigns supreme. Without this ability to choose otherwise, libertarian free will proponents will claim that man cannot be held morally responsible for his actions.As mentioned earlier, the word autonomous is key in understanding libertarian free will. The word basically means self-government. It is derived from two Greek words, autos and nomos, which mean a law unto oneself. This is libertarian free will in a nutshell. We, as free moral agents, can make our own decisions and are not subject to the will or determination of another. In any given situation, let’s call it X, we can freely choose to do action A. Furthermore, if situation X presents itself again, we can freely choose not to do A (~A).The opposite of libertarian free will is called determinism, and determinism essentially denies free will altogetherour choices are determined and that’s that. In situation X, I will always choose to do action A, and in situation Y, I will choose to do ~A, etc. Instead of being autonomous beings, mankind is reduced to being automatonsbeings who perform programmed responses to certain situations.(...)

PaulK writes:I don’t believe that libertarian free will can exist.

Wiki writes:Can a human being, a creature, be autonomous if God is sovereign? The obvious conclusion is that libertarian free will is incompatible with the sovereignty of God. Consider this passage from the book of Proverbs: In his heart a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps (Proverbs 16:9). This does not paint a picture of man as an autonomous being, but rather as man operating within the confines of a sovereign God.

ringo writes:At the risk of creating a false dichotomy: Either God created evil or He didn't create everything. Whether He does something "directly" or not is irrelevant. He pulled the trigger so you can't blame the bullet.

Phat writes:Danial Dennet is a curmudgeonly atheist philosopher...so I take his "wisdom" with a grain of salt. I'll look him up though...I've seen him spout atheistic nonsense with Harris, Dawkins, and Hitchens.

ringo writes:You're making it pretty clear that your mind is closed like a bear trap.

Phat writes:No more than your mind is closed to any sort of possibility of a spiritual realm...