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AZPaul3
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Message 1816 of 1864 (910483)
04-25-2023 5:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1814 by Dredge
04-24-2023 11:17 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Cracker Muncher, you know less about microbiology than you do about your gods. You know nothing.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1817 of 1864 (910597)
04-28-2023 8:15 AM
Reply to: Message 1787 by Tangle
04-21-2023 10:04 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangle, I stated that you as a hard atheist must explain
how life started.
You replied, "Must I, why, because you demand it? What if
I don't know."
I understand that you don't know. I understand this with
crystal clear clarity.
I know this; you know this; and, so does everyone else on
this forum.
It might be that since you promote a certain agenda that
it would be a good idea to know exactly all that it entails.
I know how life began, and I have stated so many times.
You, on the other hand, have not the slightest idea of how
life began.

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Tangle
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Message 1818 of 1864 (910609)
04-28-2023 6:54 PM
Reply to: Message 1817 by candle2
04-28-2023 8:15 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
candle2 writes:
It might be that since you promote a certain agenda that
it would be a good idea to know exactly all that it entails.
It's been said only a few thousand times so you probably missed it. Atheism is a disbelief in Gods. That's it, nothing else.
I know how life began, and I have stated so many times.
No you don't, you have a belief. Belief is not knowledge.
You, on the other hand, have not the slightest idea of how
life began.
I can't count the number of things I don't know. Somehow I get by.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Phat
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Message 1819 of 1864 (910629)
04-29-2023 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1818 by Tangle
04-28-2023 6:54 PM


Be Fishers Of Men (and Women)
The Lord graciously keeps you around because you know how to fish and you know just the bait to use for atheists! Not that I ever asked Him of course!
Our world is in a tangled mess these days! We need more fishermen and less Evangelists!

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candle2
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Message 1820 of 1864 (910726)
05-09-2023 9:44 AM
Reply to: Message 1818 by Tangle
04-28-2023 6:54 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangle, it has been, and still is, a very busy time for me. I
have had very little time to reply, but here is a abbreviated
reply.
I do know have life started.
I also know that it is quite hilarious for someone who
doesn't have the slightest idea of life's origin(s) to tell
others that they are just as ignorant as he himself is.
In this instance, ignorance simply refers to not knowing.
Also, I do know that God exists. I know it beyond any
doubt. It is not necessary for you to agree with me.
There are dozens of prophecies about Jesus in the OT
that were fulfilled in the NT.
Numerous archaeological discoveries have validated
Biblical assertions. For instance Hezekiah's seal, as well
as his tunnel have been unearthed.
Many archeologists use the Bible as a guide in which to
lead them.
Compare the "Ipuwer Papyrus", which is dated to at least
1250 BC, to the Book of Exodus, especially concerning
the 10 plagues.
The "I P" validates the Exodus account.
I could list many more examples of the Bible being
verified, but at present, I don't have the time.
I volunteer at two animal shelters; plus, several others
and myself break up garden plots for the elderly who
cannot do so. We then plant them a garden.
I am not tooting my own horn; believe me. I am simply
letting you know that sooner or later I will reply.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1821 of 1864 (910728)
05-09-2023 3:25 PM
Reply to: Message 1820 by candle2
05-09-2023 9:44 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
As the boats gradually receded, the sluice gate, the
turf-boat and the notice board continued to be visible to the naked eye for about
four miles. When the sluice gate and the turf-boat (being of a dark colour) became
somewhat indistinct, the notice board (which was white) was still plainly visible,
and remained so to the end of six miles.
But on looking through the telescope all the objects were distinctly visible throughout
the whole distance. On reaching Welney Bridge I made very careful and repeated
observations, and finding several men upon the banks of the canal, I called them to
look through the telescope. They all saw distinctly the white notice board, the sluice
gate, and the black turf-boat moored near them.
Now, as the telescope was 18in. above the water, The line of sight would touch the
horizon at one mile and a half away (if the surface were convex). The curvature of
the remaining four miles and a half would be 13ft. 6in. Hence the turf-boat should
have been 11ft., the top of the sluice gate 7ft. 10in., and the bottom of the
notice board 7ft. below the horizon.
The Flat Earth Society Wiki | Experimental Evidence

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tangle
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Message 1822 of 1864 (910729)
05-09-2023 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1820 by candle2
05-09-2023 9:44 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
candle writes:
I do know have life started.
I think you have to do a bit of research on the diffence beteween knowledge and belief.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 1823 of 1864 (910730)
05-09-2023 11:10 PM
Reply to: Message 1820 by candle2
05-09-2023 9:44 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
There are dozens of prophecies about Jesus in the OT
that were fulfilled in the NT.
Oh another one who's fallen for Loki's tricks. The little scamp plants false religions to lead people away from the Lord of Lords, King of Kings, Odin the Allfather.

It's not enough to bash in heads, you've got to bash in minds
soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry
Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
*not an actual doctor

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candle2
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Message 1824 of 1864 (910812)
05-16-2023 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 1822 by Tangle
05-09-2023 5:26 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangle, exactly what research will set me straight?
Whatever it is, it hasn't set you straight.
By your own admission, you are as ignorant as a rock
as to how the universe was created, or to how life
began.
Why don't you ask your buddies AZ and Dr. Jones to
give you advise?
Judging by their posts, they seem to be at least twelve
years old.

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Tangle
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Message 1825 of 1864 (910813)
05-16-2023 9:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1824 by candle2
05-16-2023 8:56 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
candle2 writes:
Tangle, exactly what research will set me straight?
Start with a dictionary. Knowledge is something that can be shown to be evidentially true; a belief is something that you hope is true but there is no evidence for.
Children believe in Father Christmas, adults know he doesn't exist.
By your own admission, you are as ignorant as a rock
as to how the universe was created, or to how life
began.
And so is everybody else. We do not have that knowledge. You have a particular belief, billions believe something different. That's what happens with beliefs, you can have your own personal little story if you like. Knowledge is rather different, there is only one V=IxR.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 1826 of 1864 (910821)
05-17-2023 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1825 by Tangle
05-16-2023 9:33 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
So essentially you are saying that if we dont have the knowledge of God or to prove God, Our lack of such knowledge equates to His lack of existence? Since when does human knowledge justify existence?
What if God was an equation?
  • Does everyone have to agree on the equation?
  • Must humans by definition define such an equation or can the equation be defined by itself?
    Humans may have many different equations, but only one equation provides the answer. Or are you prepared to argue against that?

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    Tangle
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    Message 1827 of 1864 (910824)
    05-17-2023 3:58 PM
    Reply to: Message 1826 by Phat
    05-17-2023 2:57 PM


    Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
    Phat writes:
    So essentially you are saying that if we dont have the knowledge of God or to prove God, Our lack of such knowledge equates to His lack of existence?
    No, that's not what I'm saying, you should have stuck with that critical thinking course - if you ever started it.
    There is a difference between knowledge and belief. If you have knowledge about something you don't need belief do you? We don't know whether god exists or not but some people believe he does anyway. Lack of knowledge doesn't prove non-existence but it is a bloody big clue.
    Since when does human knowledge justify existence?
    I don't think that actually means anything. I can't make much sense of it anyway.
    What if God was an equation?
    eh?
    Does everyone have to agree on the equation?

    Must humans by definition define such an equation or can the equation be defined by itself?

    Humans may have many different equations, but only one equation provides the answer. Or are you prepared to argue against that?
    wtf are you talking about?

    Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

    "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
    Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
    - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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    Message 1828 of 1864 (910827)
    05-18-2023 8:14 AM
    Reply to: Message 1826 by Phat
    05-17-2023 2:57 PM


    Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
    This is just word salad. You really need to make an appointment and get your meds checked.

    What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

    Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

    "God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

    If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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    Phat
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    Message 1829 of 1864 (910835)
    05-18-2023 3:34 PM
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    05-18-2023 8:14 AM


    Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
    I will do just that. Even my critics occasionally have my best interests at heart.

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    candle2
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    Message 1830 of 1864 (910839)
    05-19-2023 10:34 AM
    Reply to: Message 1822 by Tangle
    05-09-2023 5:26 PM


    Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
    Tangle, I was going to list some archaeological discoveries
    that highly supports places and people mentioned in the
    Bible.
    However, I am going to post some promises made to
    Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob (whose name was changed
    by God to Israel), as well as these promises and blessings
    being fulfilled.
    God promised Abraham that he would become the father
    of many nations, ant that his kings would come out of him.
    He was promised that hisdescendants would be as numerous
    as the dust of the earth, and as the stars in the heavens. Also
    that his descendants would be as numerous as the sand.
    Abraham was also promised that a great and mighty
    nation would come through him. And that through him
    all nations would be blessed.
    Abrahams's descendants were to spread to the East,
    West, North and South.
    Genesis 13:14-17; 15:4-5; 17:1-8; 18:18 & 22:16-18.
    God promised Abraham's son Isaac that He would keeps
    through him the oaths that He made to his father. This
    was because Abraham had kept God's Commandments,
    statutes, and laws. Genesis 26:2-5.
    Issac's son, Jacob (Israel) was blessed by his father that
    his descendants would enjoy the dew from heaven and
    the fatness of the earth.
    Israel was to receive the blessings of his grandfather,
    Abraham.
    Israel was to be the father of a multitude of people, as
    numerous as the dust. And that his descendants would
    spread to the East, West, North, and South.
    Israel was also promised that his descendants would
    become a great nation and a company of nations.
    Genesis 27:26-29; 28:3-4, 13-14; 35:9-15.
    These promises by God to Abraham were to be
    fulfilled through Isaac, not Ishmael.
    Likewise the promises made to Isaac were to come
    through Jacob (Israel), not Esau.
    This is going to be somewhat lengthy. I must post it
    throughout the day during my breaks.
    I am trying to make a very important point.

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