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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8740 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
If you cannot explain how life originated, NO, more than that, you must prove how the first life began, or admit to everyone on this site that you cannot. You got us. We don't know precisely how life originated on this planet. That is a present hole in our scientific knowledge. Feel free to hide your god in that gap since no one can find him anywhere else, but realize it's only temporary.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9699 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.2 |
candle2 writes: As a hard-core atheist you cannot rely on theisticevolution to explain the origin of life. That's why I, and no scientist, regardless of belief, relies on the Theory of Evolution (theistic or otherwise) to explain the origin of life. The ToE has nothing to say about the origin of life. That will be on my gravestone and creationists will still be getting it wrong. You sir, must explain in detail how the first life originated. Must I? Why, because you demand it? What if I don't know? I am not going to give you a pass on this.
And why should I care about that? If you cannot explain how life originated, NO, more than that, you must prove how the first life began, or admit to everyone on this site that you cannot. I am very happy to explain that I do not know how life began and what's more no one on earth does. There are some hypotheses but so far it's not understood and, what's more, it possibly never will be What you believe is based on nothing but blind faith. It has nothing to do with real science. Like all creationists, you're terribly confused about pretty much everything about atheism, the ToE and what science is. Atheism is a LACK of belief in god(s). What is it that you think I believe and how is science is involved?
Life does not come from nonlife. Life coming from preexisting life is the only fact that is verified.Observable science verifies my assertion time and time and time again. And therefore what? That Christ didn't rise from the dead? Have you considered what arguments you'd use for when replicating life IS formed from chemistry? It's only a matter of time you know.
quote:Spontaneous Emergence of Self-Replicating Molecules Containing Nucleobases and Amino Acids - PMC Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tanypteryx Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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Sludge writes: Tanypteryx writes:
"the natural man does not accept what pertains to the Spirit of God, for to him it is foolishness, and he cannot understand it, because it is spiritually discerned." (1Cor 2:14) gibberish Thanks for the demonstration.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge Member (Idle past 204 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangled writes:
In other words, you believe there is no god(s). Atheism is a LACK of belief in god(s). Why are you so hung up on admitting that you have beliefs? Weird.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 204 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Witty ... but sad ... even sadder than your all-insect diet and the many insect-posters adorning your bedroom walls.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 204 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangled writes:
Puny science will always be clueless about abiogenesis, but you forgot to mention that the process that produced the life-form changes evident in the fossil record (often referred to as "evolution") is also unknown and can never be known. Science can't even know what happened, let alone explain how it happened.
There are some hypotheses but so far it's not understood and, what's more, it possibly never will be.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8740 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
You can go thru life deaf, dumb and blind, Altar Boy. It's OK. You're allowed.
Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tangle Member Posts: 9699 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.2 |
Dredge writes: In other words, you believe there is no god(s). This is my fault for not trying to get you to understand the difference between a non-belief in god(s) and believing that there are no gods. I wonder if I have the energy to do that? Maybe not, but what the hell. A non-belief in god(s) - ie atheism - is a negative thing; it's a nothing, an absence. Like you have a non-belief in hundreds, maybe thousands of gods. You don't even think about Vishnu do you? It's not that you don't believe in Vishnu, you've never even considered Vishnu. You may not even have heard of Vishnu, Vishnu is a nothing to you. If asked, you'd say that of course you don't believe in Vishnu, but until that point you didn't know that you even could have a belief in Vishnu. That's a non-belief and also an ignorance that a belief was even possible. Atheists just have a non-belief in gods generally - even the ones they know about. Now, I also believe that there are no gods. That's a positive thing. I can't possibly know that that is true so in that respect it's irrational. But that's what beliefs are, they're irrationally held opinion. I can give you evidence for my belief and argue my position but in the end it's a belief and therefore personally interesting but worthless as far as knowledge goes.
Why are you so hung up on admitting that you have beliefs? Weird. I have no hang-ups admitting my beliefs; I've discussed my beliefs many times here. What is it that you think I have to admit to?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9699 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 6.2 |
Dredge writes: Puny science will always be clueless about abiogenesis, Emotive language but sure, we may well never know how life started.
but you forgot to mention that the process that produced the life-form changes evident in the fossil record (often referred to as "evolution") is also unknown and can never be known. Science can't even know what happened, let alone explain how it happened. Well no, we DO know the processes of evolution, that's why there is a thing called the Theory of Evolution.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine. "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
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Dredge Member (Idle past 204 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Tangle writes:
No one knows how the life-form changes evident in the fossil record happened ... and no one ever will. Stop pretending otherwise.
we DO know the processes of evolution, that's why there is a thing called the Theory of Evolution.
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Tanypteryx Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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Sludge writes: No one knows how the life-form changes evident in the fossil record happened ... and no one ever will. Sure we do, reproduction and descent with modification, genetics and natural selection. That's how life works, we can watch it happening.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge Member (Idle past 204 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Insectoid writes:
Really? How many times have you seen a mammal evolve from a reptile? Sure we do, reproduction and descent with modification, genetics and natural selection. That's how life works, we can watch it happening. I think you might be confusing atheist folklore with facts.
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AZPaul3 Member Posts: 8740 From: Phoenix Joined: Member Rating: 5.6 |
How many times have you seen a mammal evolve from a reptile? Never. It didn't happen. Mammals evolved from synapsids, not sauropsids. How many times have you seen your god make a dinosaur, or anything else?Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!
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Tanypteryx Member (Idle past 93 days) Posts: 4597 From: Oregon, USA Joined:
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Sludge writes: Really? How many times have you seen a mammal evolve from a reptile? You should retire this strawman.
Sludge writes: I think you might be confusing atheist folklore with facts. So, that's 4 things in one sentence that you don't know shit about: confusion, atheist, folklore, or facts.Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned! What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq
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Dredge Member (Idle past 204 days) Posts: 2855 From: Australia Joined: |
Dredge writes:
No one knows how the life-form changes evident in the fossil record happened ... and no one ever will.Tanypteryx writes:
Since you claim to know how the life-form changes evident in the fossil record happened, please provide a step-by-step description of how insects evolved from non-insects.
Sure we do, reproduction and descent with modification, genetics and natural selection. That's how life works, we can watch it happening.
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