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AZPaul3
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Message 1651 of 1864 (909755)
04-10-2023 3:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1650 by Dredge
04-10-2023 3:01 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Sounds like Jesus wasted his tolerant philosophy on both you and your church. You and your church are not christian.
You're evil.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Tangle
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Message 1652 of 1864 (909756)
04-10-2023 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1650 by Dredge
04-10-2023 3:01 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Turns out Christians aren't actually Christian.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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candle2
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Message 1653 of 1864 (909758)
04-10-2023 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1645 by PaulK
04-10-2023 5:41 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Paulk, all Jews are Israelites, but not all Israelites are
Jews. Jews refer to Israelites that are descended from
Judah; Jacob's 4th son.
The very first time that the word Jew is used in in 2 Kings
16:6. Verses 5-6 clearly states that Syria and Israel united
in a war against the Jews.
After the death of Solomon the northern tribes revolted
against Rehoboam.
Israel rejected God's Sabbaths. And, they turned to
worshipping pagan god's, even building altars to them.
The Lord sent the Assyrians against Israel. Assyria
conquered Israel in roughly 722 BC, and deported them
from Samaria.
The Assyrians deported Israel and replaced them with
people from Babylon, Cuthah, Ava, Hamath, and
Sephardic, as well as a few others.
You can read this in 2 Kings 17: 23-24.
2 Kings 17:18 "Therefore the Lord was very angry with
Israel, and removed them out of His sight: there was
none left but the tribe of Judah only.
Israel became so wicked that the Tribe of Benjamin
reunited with Judah 1Chr. 11:1, 13-14. Also, the priestly
tribe of Levi left Israel and joined Judah.
The Northern nation of Israel still had 10 tribes. Joseph
received a double share, through his sons Ephraim and
Manasseh.
See Genesis 48. Not only that, but more than any of the
other, they received the name Israel.
Now, you or any one else on here can crush me, simply
by showing me in the Bible where Israel ever reunited
with the Jews. Or, show me where they came back to
Jerusalem.
Jeremiah states in 3:6-11 that Judah was more
treacherous than Israel. The main reason being that
Judah should have learned from Israel's example.
However, God did not cast Israel away forever. He had
and still has plans for her.
Isaiah 14:1"For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and
will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and
the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall
cleave to the house of Jacob.
Amos 9:9 "For, lo, I will command, and I will sift the house
of Israel among all nations, like as corn is sifted in a
sieve, yet shall not the least grain fall upon the earth.
Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright by J.H.Allen.
The book has all the references listed. There is no way
that I can reference it all. But this book has certainly
convinced me. As has God.

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Dredge
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Message 1654 of 1864 (909759)
04-10-2023 7:55 PM
Reply to: Message 1630 by Tangle
04-07-2023 3:32 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangled writes:
I'm an atheist, but I'm ten times the Christian you are.
Quick ... tell Jesus!!

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Dredge
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Message 1655 of 1864 (909760)
04-10-2023 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 1651 by AZPaul3
04-10-2023 3:27 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling666 writes:
Sounds like Jesus wasted his tolerant philosophy on both you and your church. You and your church are not christian.
"Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1Cor 6)
"We know that the law is good, provided that one uses it as law, with the understanding that law is meant not for a righteous person but for the lawless and unruly, the godless and sinful, the unholy and profane, those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, the unchaste, homosexuals, kidnapers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is opposed to sound teaching" (1Tim 1)
"For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions. Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another. Men committed shameless acts with men and received in their own persons the due penalty for their error." (Romans 1:26-27)

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Dredge
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Message 1656 of 1864 (909761)
04-10-2023 8:24 PM
Reply to: Message 1651 by AZPaul3
04-10-2023 3:27 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling666 writes:
You're evil
"Woe to those who call evil good
and good evil,
who put darkness for light
and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
and sweet for bitter!" (Isaiah 5:20)
“Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account." (Matt 5:11)

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Dredge
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Message 1657 of 1864 (909762)
04-10-2023 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 1651 by AZPaul3
04-10-2023 3:27 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling666 writes:
Sounds like Jesus wasted his tolerant philosophy on both you and your church. You and your church are not christian.
Quick ... tell Jesus!!

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AZPaul3
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Message 1658 of 1864 (909763)
04-10-2023 11:55 PM
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04-10-2023 8:26 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Quick ... tell Jesus!!
Can't. Despite your stories he's still dead. Been dead some 2000+- years.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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PaulK
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Message 1659 of 1864 (909764)
04-11-2023 1:07 AM
Reply to: Message 1653 by candle2
04-10-2023 7:24 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
So, you have no proof for any of the things I listed - all you try to argue was that the Assyrian deportations were of the entire population. And you can’t even prove that. By your own admission just believe what this “J H Allen” wrote, even though it is nonsense.
(2 Chronicles 30 shows Israelites still living in Israel after the deportations.)

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Tangle
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Message 1660 of 1864 (909765)
04-11-2023 3:13 AM
Reply to: Message 1654 by Dredge
04-10-2023 7:55 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge writes:
Quick ... tell Jesus!!
That's neither possible nor necessary. Your guy made it very clear what is needed to be a Christian.
“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: Just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.” (John 13:34, ESV).
There are no exceptions that allow you to hate homosexuals or any other kind of person in that commandment

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Dredge
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Message 1661 of 1864 (909770)
04-11-2023 5:09 AM
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04-11-2023 3:13 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Quick ... tell Jesus!!

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candle2
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Message 1662 of 1864 (909779)
04-11-2023 10:51 AM
Reply to: Message 1644 by Dredge
04-09-2023 8:04 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, God has a sign that is displayed by those who
love Him.
Deuteronomy 6:1-8 verse 1 & 2 God commands us to
keep His all His Commandments, statutes, and
judgements.
Verse 8 "And thou shall bind them for a sign (evidence,
mark, beacon) upon thine hand, and they shall be as
frontlets between thine eyes.
Deuteronomy 11:13-18 God state that He will give us
great blessings if we honor His Commandments.
Verse 18 "Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in
your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign
upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between
your eyes.
We are to agree with them, and we are to obey them.
Our hands are not to work on the Sabbath
Exodus 3:13-17 states that the Sabbath is a sign between
Israel and God. It is a perpetual Commandment. Even
Gentiles who become spiritual Israelites are to keep it.
It is fairly easy for the world to see who does and doesn't
obey the 4th Commandment.
In Daniel 7, we see that the beast (Roman Empire and the
RCC) kill the saints of God. They speak great things
about the most High.
Speaking great things about the most High is blasphemy.
Also, both beasts think to change times and Laws.
Both Rome and the RCC killed those Christian who kept
faithful to God's Sabbaths.
Rome worshipped the Emperor as a God. Likewise the
popes were worshipped as being God's direct
representative on earth. People bowed to both of them.
Sunday (the day of the sun) is their mark. They have
admitted this hundreds of time.
It is their "mark of authority." Deceived people wear this
mark as a badge of servitude.
Many Christians who remained faithful to God's
Commandments, especially the 4th were forced to
go underground or to recant.
So-called holy men in robes had Christian who would not
deny their faith, and who would not accept the mark
(Sunday) tortured and killed.
Many were thrown to the lions, had limbs chopped off or
worse.
Some were tightly bound and one of their leg placed on
a fire until they either recanted or died.
Still others were impaled on stakes and set on fire in
order to provide light at extravagant parties.
These action were performed by both Rome and the RCC.
Rev. 13 states that this mark will soon be forced on
everyone.
This time the false prophet will perform great miracles
that will cause all to worship both him and the beast
(the leader of the 10 kings).
God can prevent anyone from being deceived if they will
truly seek Him with all their heart.
However, many of His followers will be put to death.
These are those who have the strongest faith. It will
take someone of immense faith not to fold.
Those who are put to death will be a great testimony for
God. The dignified manner in which they accept death
will convince others that they were right.
In Daniel 7, this end-time beast power is prophesied to
rule for 3 and a half years.
In Rev. 13 the time given is 42 months. They are one and
the same.
One should read Foxe's Book of Martyrs.

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Tangle
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Message 1663 of 1864 (909786)
04-11-2023 12:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1661 by Dredge
04-11-2023 5:09 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge writes:
Quick ... tell Jesus!!
Jesus is commanding YOU to love others. No exceptions for race, religion, gender or proclivities. Even your enemy.
Real Christians know this.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Dredge
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Message 1664 of 1864 (909790)
04-11-2023 12:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1663 by Tangle
04-11-2023 12:11 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Since you're such an expert on Christianity, please explain the following verse:
"Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God." (1Cor 6)

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Tangle
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Message 1665 of 1864 (909792)
04-11-2023 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1664 by Dredge
04-11-2023 12:48 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
I quoted Jesus's actual words from your book. He commands you to love others, even your enemies.
When he asks you why you thought it ok to hate some groups are you going to show him the small print, your hoped for loopholes?
I think he'll show you the other door and introduce you to the other anonymous frauds that sneaked their way into your corrupted little book.
Christian my arse.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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