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candle2
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Message 1636 of 1864 (909664)
04-08-2023 7:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1635 by AZPaul3
04-08-2023 12:45 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZ, I'll be the kettle; Dredge must ask the RCC who/what
he will be; and, of course, you will be Dylan Mulvaney.

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Message 1637 of 1864 (909672)
04-08-2023 11:25 AM
Reply to: Message 1621 by Dredge
04-06-2023 12:28 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, are you aware that besides the weekly Sabbath
that Lord has sanctified seven annual Sabbaths.
These annual Sabbaths are referred to as High Days,
Sabbaths, or Holy Convocations.
Leviticus 23 has them listed in order.
These annual Convocations require a sacred assembly in
addition to forbidding servile work.
The "Feast of Trumpets" is even called a Sabbath-verse 24.
Notice that the first day of the "Feast of Unleavened Bread"
takes place on the 15th, the day after Passover, which
takes place on the 14th.
The day after Passover, when Jesus was sacrificed
(1 Cor. 5:7) was an annual Sabbath, or as John stated in
John 19:31 a "High Day."
There were two Sabbaths occurring in the week that
Jesus was crucified. One annual, one weekly.
The annual Sabbath occurred two days before the
weekly Sabbath.
In Mark 16:1 we read that the women bought spices
and prepared them after the Sabbath had passed.
Luke 23:56 states that the women left the sepulcher
and prepared the spices and then they rested on the
Sabbath--according to the Commandment (the 4th).
It takes time to steep spices and to prepare the spices
for burial. The women did have not the time to prepare
the spices after leaving the sepulcher on the day Jesus
was murdered.
After leaving the sepulcher the women rested on the
annual Sabbath (Thursday). The next day (Friday) the
women prepared the spices. Then they rested on the
weekly Sabbath (Saturday).
Notice that when the women reached the sepulcher on
Sunday morning, while it was still dark, Jesus had
already risen (John 20:1). Of course He had, late on
Saturday evening, just about the time that the sun was
going down.
The Pharisees in Matthew 12: 38 asked Jesus for a sign
that He was the promised Messiah. They wanted a
miraculous sign.
In verse 40, Jesus promised them a sign.
"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the
whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and
three nights in the heart of the earth."
The sign was the "amount if time" that Jesus was the
promised Messiah.
If it were less than three days and three nights Jesus is
not the Savior. If it were more than three days and three
nights He is not the Savior.
The Word "and" is from "kai." It has a copulative effect as
well as a cumulative effect. Which signifies that is serves
as a connecting word. And that it increases by
successive additions.
Kai also means in addition, too, then, also.
The Word "so" is from "houto." It's definition is
"In this way, or manner," referring to what
precedes or follows.
The Bible also states that Jesus would rise on the third
day. It also states after three days.
The term "on the third day" limits the resurrection to a
time span of 48 to 72 hours.
"After three days" limits the time to no less than 72
hours. After means accomplishment.
The only amount of time that fits both criteria is 72
hours exactly.

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Dredge
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Message 1638 of 1864 (909687)
04-08-2023 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1637 by candle2
04-08-2023 11:25 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
candle2 writes:
Notice that when the women reached the sepulcher on
Sunday morning, while it was still dark, Jesus had
already risen (John 20:1).
For more than 2000 years, Christianity has accepted and taught that the Resurrection occurred on Sunday ... but apparently all those fools got it wrong and you know better.
Of course He had, late on Saturday evening, just about the time that the sun was
going down.
Says who?

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Dredge
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Message 1639 of 1864 (909688)
04-08-2023 2:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1637 by candle2
04-08-2023 11:25 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
candle2 writes:
In verse 40, Jesus promised them a sign.

"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the
whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and
three nights in the heart of the earth."
Jesus died on Friday and was resurrected on Sunday ... that's only two days. You have no idea where the third day is, do you?

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candle2
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Message 1640 of 1864 (909702)
04-08-2023 7:36 PM
Reply to: Message 1638 by Dredge
04-08-2023 2:01 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, you ask "says who" in reply to Jesus coming out
out of the tomb late Saturday evening.
The Bible state clearly (without the slightest hint of
ambiguity) that Jesus would remain in the tomb for
three days and three nights.
He was placed in the sepulcher a little before the going
down of the sun on Wednesday (AD 31. Passover fell on
a Wednesday that year.
The next day, Thursday, was an annual Sabbath. Just
before the sun set that evening would be 24 hours.
Friday evening would be 48 hours-2 night and 2 days.
Just before sunset on Saturday would be three days
and three nights--72 hours. Just as Jesus said.
Your problem Dredge is that you believe men in robes
more than you do the words of Jesus.
Do you actually know the terrible history of the RCC?
Or does it even matter to you?

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candle2
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Message 1641 of 1864 (909725)
04-09-2023 12:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1638 by Dredge
04-08-2023 2:01 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, I want to talk about the "sign" of God vs the
"mark" of the beast. The mark belongs to both the
first and second beasts in Rev. 13.
In Ex. 31:13-17 God states the Sabbath is a sign (an
identifying mark, beacon, evidence) between me and
the children of Israel forever.
The 10 northern tribes of Israel disregarded the Sabbath
of God. Eventually they were forced from the land of
Israel by the Assyrians.
The Israelites lost the very sign (Sabbath keeping) that
identified them. The majority of Israelites no longer know
that they are Israelites.
The Jews, however, still observe the Sabbaths. Their
identity has not been lost.
The tribe of Manasseh, of which I am from, migrated
into Scotland, and many into North America, especially
the United States.
The United States is the great nation promised to
Joseph's eldest son, Manasseh. Genesis 48 & 49.
Joseph's youngest son, Ephraim, settled in England, and
have migrated to places such as Canada, Australia,
New Zealand, Wales, etc.... Genesis 48 & 49.
Joseph's two sons received the birthright blessings. The
Jews received the promise that the Messiah would come
through them. Judah possess the birthright scepter.
The royal family in Great Britain are direct descendants
of Kind David. The royal family are Jews, but they reside
among Ephraim.
The Stone of Destiny (Jacob's pillowstone is now in
Scotland. When King Charles is coronated the Stone
will be placed inside a partition in the royal throne.
The throne, which is occupied, will be the very throne
that Jesus sits on when He returns to set up His
Kingdom.
The prophet Jeremiah brought the only surviving daughter
Of king Zedekiah to Ireland. She was placed among a
colony of Jews, where she became a Queen.
God made a promise to David that someone would always
sit on his throne.
Sorry, I got off track.
I thought I had time to type all I wanted, but they want
me to feed the dogs and other animals. it is pagan
Easter, and I don't observe it.
The Apostle to the Jews was Peter. Not for certain but
the Apostle to Manasseh is probably Peter's brother
Andrew. There is one Apostle for each tribe.

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Message 1642 of 1864 (909734)
04-09-2023 2:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1641 by candle2
04-09-2023 12:38 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Sadly, you've been deceived by Herbert W. Armstrong - a false teacher and false prophet who was also notoriously anti-Catholic. I know his teachings bcoz I used to attend one of his fake churches many years ago ... when I was blind and stupid enuf to swallow his poisonous nonsense.
Armstrong thought he was serving God, but the fool was actually serving the devil ... as do his gullible and lost followers.

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candle2
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Message 1643 of 1864 (909742)
04-09-2023 6:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1642 by Dredge
04-09-2023 2:47 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, I am not concerned with Armstrong. What I can't
prove myself o will not believe.
You cannot prove from the Bible any doctrine that the
RCC espouses. I find it extremely reckless to place your
faith in a church that has nothing in common with the
church Jesus established.
Do you honestly believe that God could not keep His
promise to David that his throne would always have a
descendant of his sitting on it.
It is possible to trace the routes of the Israelites after the
Assyrians had conquered them.
The northern tribes of Israel had been removed from
their land for well over 130 years before Judah fell to
Babylon.
Anyone who believes that all Israelites are Jews needs
psychological help. And I am serious about that.
The Bible states that each Apostle would be placed over
a separate tribe of Israel (in the kingdom).
You place your faith in men who would not spit on you if
you were on fire. Yet, you criticise those who believe that
the Bible contains all the information one needs to build
a close relationship with God.

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Dredge
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Message 1644 of 1864 (909744)
04-09-2023 8:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1643 by candle2
04-09-2023 6:21 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
candle2 writes:
Anyone who believes that all Israelites are Jews needs
psychological help. And I am serious about that.
Seriously bizarre.
The Bible states that ...
Shut up.
You place your faith in men who would not spit on you if you were on fire.
Seek profession help. Your brain is broken.
The reason so many people think you're mentally ill ... is that you're mentally ill.

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Message 1645 of 1864 (909745)
04-10-2023 5:41 AM
Reply to: Message 1643 by candle2
04-09-2023 6:21 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
quote:
Dredge, I am not concerned with Armstrong. What I can't
prove myself o will not believe.
Given the nonsense you post this is obviously false.
You can’t prove any of the following - to list a few - because they are fantasies
The tribe of Manasseh, of which I am from, migrated
into Scotland, and many into North America, especially
the United States.
The royal family in Great Britain are direct descendants
of Kind David. The royal family are Jews, but they reside
among Ephraim.
The prophet Jeremiah brought the only surviving daughter
Of king Zedekiah to Ireland. She was placed among a
colony of Jews, where she became a Queen.
Message 1641

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Message 1646 of 1864 (909750)
04-10-2023 9:19 AM
Reply to: Message 1645 by PaulK
04-10-2023 5:41 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
And the truly batshit crazy expect us to take them seriously even though they have no evidence other than their rants.

What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence. -Christopher Hitchens

Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts

"God did it" is not an argument. It is an excuse for intellectual laziness.

If your viewpoint has merits and facts to back it up why would you have to lie?


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Dredge
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Message 1647 of 1864 (909751)
04-10-2023 9:36 AM
Reply to: Message 1641 by candle2
04-09-2023 12:38 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
No reputable historian supports Armstrong's historical fantasies. Embarrassing.
Armstrong's nonsense is right up there with other fairy-tale histories told by fruit-cakes like Mormons and Scientologists. Embarrassing.
Your fake church and your fake Christianity are built on the delusions of a madman. Embarrassing.

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Message 1648 of 1864 (909752)
04-10-2023 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1630 by Tangle
04-07-2023 3:32 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangled writes:
Putting aside the disgusting prejudice displayed in your statement
Nothing wrong with a prejudice based on facts. It's a fact that more than 90% of the sexual-abuse-of-minors cases in the Catholic Church involve queers molesting boys.

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Message 1649 of 1864 (909753)
04-10-2023 1:38 PM
Reply to: Message 1648 by Dredge
04-10-2023 12:47 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge writes:
Nothing wrong with a prejudice based on facts.
The wrong is in your obvious homophobic hate and the inference that all homosexuals are child abusers.
It's a fact that more than 90% of the sexual-abuse-of-minors cases in the Catholic Church involve queers molesting boys.
It's also a fact that 90% of the sexual-abuse-of-minors cases in the Catholic Church involve the clergy.
I also note your indifference to the institutional cover-up.

Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London. Olen Suomi Soy Barcelona. I am Ukraine.

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Message 1650 of 1864 (909754)
04-10-2023 3:01 PM
Reply to: Message 1649 by Tangle
04-10-2023 1:38 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tangled writes:
The wrong is in your obvious homophobic hate
Er, no; you're confused ... the wrong is not being "homophobic". Being "homophobic" is a virtue. I don't trust anyone who isn't "homophobic".
There's nothing wrong with hating what faggots do, which is sick, shameful and a form of bestiality.
Is it any wonder those disgusting freaks fall victim to so many horrible diseases?
and the inference that all homosexuals are child abusers.
The inference is all yours ... although now that you mention it, I do recall reading somewhere that the probability of a queer molesting an under-age boy is statistically hundreds of times greater than the probability of a normal (ie, hetero) man molesting an under-age girl.
Please be advised that your low standards of morality, your wilful ignorance and your reluctance to face facts are not my fault.
I also note your indifference to the institutional cover-up.
On the contrary, I would much rather see the Church's fag clergy get sent to jail than Church leaders covering up their sick crimes.

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