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candle2
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Message 1501 of 1864 (908911)
03-23-2023 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 1490 by Tanypteryx
03-20-2023 5:28 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Tanzypteryx, you cannot dispose of the evidence. You
can wish it away with all your might, but if you stick to
your misguided theory of evolution then you must
explain how they fit in.
Good luck.

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Message 1502 of 1864 (908912)
03-23-2023 12:56 PM
Reply to: Message 1491 by AZPaul3
03-20-2023 5:48 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZ, everybody knows of Moby Dick.

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Tanypteryx
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Message 1503 of 1864 (908913)
03-23-2023 12:57 PM
Reply to: Message 1501 by candle2
03-23-2023 12:52 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
They are fiction. Your imaginary hallucinations are not evidence.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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candle2
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Message 1504 of 1864 (908921)
03-23-2023 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1477 by Dredge
03-18-2023 10:17 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, Jesus allowed those who understood who He
was to worship Him. While in His human body He did
not demand worship. This was not the reason that He
came to earth.
Jesus forgave sin, which is blasphemy for anyone other
than a member of the God family to do.
There is coming a time when every knee will bow down
to Him. There will be no exceptions.
Satan did everything in his power to get Jesus to sin.
But, he finally realized that it wasn't going to happen.
Satan knew the scriptures. He clearly understood that
Jesus was to live a sinless life and then He was to be
put to death for our sins.
This presented him with a paradox of monumental
proportions. He would cause Christ to be sentenced to
death, which would be exactly what was required of Him.
However, Satan, with His enormous influence would see
that the method of execution was crucifixion.
Crucifixion was exceedingly painful and drawn out. The
condemned would be scourged by experts. Lictors
were adept at bringing the condemned to the point of death
before stopping.
Before flogging the condemned would be stripped of all
clothing and his hands were tied to an upright post.
Lictors made use of a short whip of braided leather with
thongs of various lengths.
Attached to the ends of each thong were objects such as
small iron balls; sharp pieces of bones; and, other objects
used to bruise and tear flesh. He was missing flesh from
His back; buttocks; legs; and, ribs.
But, before the flogging the Pharisees had hit him so
many times in the face that it was marred beyond
human likeness.
Jesus was like other men in that He did not want to go
through this. He prayed to His Father asking if this cup
could pass from Him.
The realization of what He was about to endure caused
Him to sweat great drops mingled with blood
(Hematohidrosis).
Jesus prayed constantly to His Father, seeking His
strength.
Satan's final ploy was to get Jesus to back out of His
plans. And, Jesus did ask His Father if there was
another way.
Satan stirred the High preists and everyone else against
Jesus. They mocked Him; they ridiculed Him; and,
they spat on Him.
I admire Jesus with all my heart. He paid a high price to
redeem us. And, it was the ultimate act of love.

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Message 1505 of 1864 (908930)
03-23-2023 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 1504 by candle2
03-23-2023 2:12 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
"there is salvation in no one else" (Acts 4:12)
In this verse, Peter is referring to Jesus Christ. So according to you, this verse means Jesus can save us ... but God can't!!
The verse makes sense only if Jesus is God. Only God saves.

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candle2
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Message 1506 of 1864 (908934)
03-23-2023 7:53 PM
Reply to: Message 1505 by Dredge
03-23-2023 6:08 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Dredge, Jesus is the member of the God family who
gave His life as a ransom for us. It was not the Father.
The penalty for sin is death. Jesus paid this price.
Therefore, there is no other name that can save us. It is
impossible to have a relationship with the Father without
going through the Son.
The two have always existed. Both of them are God. They
make up the family of God, which one day can number
into the billions.
The Father is the greater of the two, and He is the
undisputed leader.
But, without Jesus's death to pay for our sins we would
remain dead for all eternity.
This verse (Acts 4:12) is in no way confusing, nor is it
contradictory.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1507 of 1864 (908936)
03-23-2023 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1504 by candle2
03-23-2023 2:12 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
Attached to the ends of each thong were objects such as
small iron balls; sharp pieces of bones; and, other objects
used to bruise and tear flesh. He was missing flesh from
His back; buttocks; legs; and, ribs.
Mel Gibson did an epic porn of this scene. Really depicted the evil violence your god was into.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Dredge
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Message 1508 of 1864 (908941)
03-24-2023 2:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1507 by AZPaul3
03-23-2023 8:30 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
The God of the Bible is no excuse for not believing in God. The existence of the natural world demands the existence of a supernatural Creator.

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AZPaul3
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Message 1509 of 1864 (908945)
03-24-2023 3:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1508 by Dredge
03-24-2023 2:32 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
The existence of the natural world demands the existence of a supernatural Creator.
No, it does not. That is one of the demented parts of your fantasy.
The god you portray in your bible is more than adequate reason to reject the concept of all gods.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1510 of 1864 (908946)
03-24-2023 4:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1509 by AZPaul3
03-24-2023 3:16 AM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
APauling666 writes:
The god you portray in your bible is more than adequate reason to reject the concept of all gods.
Your reasoning here is of a very poor quality and devoid of merit. Fail.

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candle2
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Message 1511 of 1864 (908948)
03-24-2023 8:16 AM
Reply to: Message 1507 by AZPaul3
03-23-2023 8:30 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZ, "The Passion of the Christ" did not go nearly enough
to portray the horrors that Jesus endured.
And you got it right, He is my God.

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Phat
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Message 1512 of 1864 (908949)
03-24-2023 8:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1506 by candle2
03-23-2023 7:53 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
candle2 writes:
Jesus forgave sin, which is blasphemy for anyone other
than a member of the God family to do.
You are the only one whom I know among Christians I know to speak of a God family vs simply Father,Son,Holy Spirit.
Dredge is more familiar:
Dredge writes:
The verse(Acts 4:12) makes sense only if Jesus is God. Only God saves.
I agree. In my belief, Jesus is Gods character. His human essence. There is no "two" of them.
candle2 writes:
The two have always existed. Both of them are God. They
make up the family of God, which one day can number
into the billions.
Based on what you earlier stated,
candle2:
Jesus forgave sin, which is blasphemy for anyone other
than a member of the God family to do. Someday soon in the future, billions of this ever growing family will be able to forgive sin.
I think we disagree here! Of course in the RCC, Priests can forgive sin, so Dredge may agree with you more than I do.
The way I see it, In The Beginning was GOD. Jesus was at that exact moment His Son...His character as a human. Through that character, all things were created, including Angels and humans and everything else under the Son (pun intended).
As for the angels, none were created initially rebellious or sinful, but the possibility of sin was allowed. Lucifer, One of three Arch Angels(Chief Angels) along with Michael and Gabriel, chose autonomy over obedience. Thus the war in Heaven and Lucifer's expulsion and re-titling to Satan. Do either you or Dredge see that any differently than I do?

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Dredge
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Message 1513 of 1864 (908958)
03-24-2023 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 1506 by candle2
03-23-2023 7:53 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
candle2 writes:
The two have always existed. Both of them are God. They
make up the family of God, which one day can number
into the billions.
You saying creatures (humans) will become God?

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Message 1514 of 1864 (908959)
03-24-2023 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 1513 by Dredge
03-24-2023 12:06 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
You saying creatures (humans) will become God?
Have you forgotten Xenu so easily?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 1515 of 1864 (908962)
03-24-2023 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1514 by AZPaul3
03-24-2023 12:14 PM


Re: Burning The Candle At Both Ends
AZPaul writes:
Dredge writes:
Are you saying creatures (humans) will become God?
Have you forgotten Xenu so easily?
With Christian home schooling, everything is possible.

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