Radicalism and religion.

I was under the impression that most of those deaths were from disease. Although the Spanish did come for gold initially they were a _very_ catholic country. Notice the preponderance of missions all over the South West while there are none where the Protestants landed. They came for the gold and stayed for the converts, at least those who survived the diseases.

Well, I think all these posts have undoubtedly established the fact that evil exists in the world EVERYWHERE.Just for grins I wonder what evil atheists are responsible for? Does anyone have any information on that?Off the top of my head, I know of some atheist PETA idiots who started violent rallys, and people against the WTO have started some violent demonstartions. What else have radicle atheists done?Perhaps the greatest evil that atheists are guilty of is ignoring the fact that evil is, has, and always will exist. They get us to lay down our absolute moral standards one by one destroying us from the inside, while all those radicles out there lay siege waiting to destroy us from the outside in our weakness.

You and others keep saying stuff like that. But so far I haven't seen any real examples.So let's go down the list of absolute moral standards one by one.What would be moral standard number one?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Um, the Soviet revolution, stalinism, Maoism, Pol Pott's regime - athiests have committed lots of nasty atrocities. What's your point?

Hangdawg13 Evil is the term people use to describe the behavior of people who will do things that they would never consider nor have the stomach to participate in under normal circumstances.It is a description and not an independent entity that influences.Given the right motivation you would do some things that you would never consider participating in in your comfortable peacetime world.And the means to do so are nothing that we ,as people living in the relative lap of luxury, ever have to endure.Evil only exists in the world of mankind and the struggles between their competing vanities and dreams.Eliminate mankind and nature would operate without a concept of evil moving finished and complete.

Jar do you believe in an absolute moral standard of truth?

Evil exists everywhere that God has been removed from the hearts and minds of men.

As I asked in Message 18, what would be the first example of this Moral standard of truth?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

This is your subjective opinon. Do you think you are above all of this? Do you think if people just rose above all their "vanities and dreams" like you that evil would cease to exist? If non-humans are the only untainted creatures, should we destroy ourselves for theirsake? Sigh... atheists cannot objectively evaluate truth because they are too impressed with their own intellect...

And from whence did this Evil come pray tell? The Devil? Please read through all the "is there evil?" threads and then read through all the: "Is there an objective morality" threads, then read through all the "can there be free will in the presence of a omnipotent God." And then read through all the "If God created all that is did he create evil?" Evil is relative. I contend that evil is just a word use to describe human behavior and not a supernatural entity. IMHO

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"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

Hi Sidelined, I just read your post and am a bit embarrassed that you covered my post already. Any ways I agree with your statements.
Peace.

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"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

Hangdawg Yes it is. Do you eat meat? If it was a choice between your children being shot dead in front of your face and you killing another human being to prevent it would you do so? Is it right for you to have a choice not to be kept alive when the likelihood of recovery is minimal or could not give you quality of life?Is sex for the purpose of pleasure and not for procretion evil? Is not all evil determined subjectively. I do not understand how you can say there is an objective evil that influences us when one person may find eating of meat evil while you {I assume} do not.You may have the fortitude to forgo saving your childrens lives because of your conviction that they will go to a heaven and be in grace away from the troubles of the world. I do not so I may bre predisposed to the murder of a person.Or I may,even though I hold no hope for my children to ascend to a heaven, sacrifice them since I cannot fathom my children being able to live with themselves and I think they would not wish to live out their long lives at the expense of another.I have my own remedy already set aside for the day that should I be in that position of being hopelessly dependent upon machinery to keep me alive against all reasonable point of need. Is it evil that I deny the people who care about me and loved me and sacrificed for me to have another day of my body existing when hope is beyond practical application to me? I say no because it is a creed I have instilled in my children my wife and friends all my life. I say when it is enough and that it is time.Others will say I am unfeeling or mad or that I do not understand how wrong my view is on these issues.But it is subjective.There never has been a cut and dried here you go the answer to every moral dilemma set of rules to live by.Please present to me an objective version of evil that is not subject to individual interperatation.

I once had a college professor state that the only objective, unquestionable, unforgiveable evil was genocide.But - it's my understanding that God committed genocide on a few occasions, so there's got to be some good in it, hasn't there?

Voila!

custardDamn! Punk'd again! Defeat is a bitter pill to swallow.LOLThis message has been edited by sidelined, 06-18-2004 01:16 AM