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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
That is a personal message not one to nations. Matt 25:32 (KJS) And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats: My bold and underline. The Bible plainly says nations. I can't help how you interpet it.
The division is based on the acts of kindness and mercy done by people to the disadvantaged. quote: My bold and underline. Jesus plainly said my brethren.To be a brother of Christ you have to either be a Jew or be a Born again child of God. Roma 8:14 (KJS) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 1Joh 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. Being a son of God makes me a brother of Jesus.
Matt 1:1 (KJS) The book of the generation of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. This is the descendants of Abraham who are the brethren of Jesus. It makes no difference what you or I say the Bible says. It only matters what God says in His Word. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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nator Member (Idle past 2190 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Huh? This makes no sense. The only way we can attempt to understand "God's Word" is to read the Bible and try to understand the meaning, right? So it does, in fact, matter very much what you or anybody else says the Bible says, since this is the only way anybody can take in the word, right?
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
You have far more than you really need. Nobody "needs" two homes, for goodness sake. The house I have was built in 1973 on the farm I own The only other home I have is in heaven. I would be glad to sell everything to you for the upper six figures. Except the home in Heaven.(tax man says everything I have is worth less than 200k and yes it is paid for I have never paid interest on money)Then I could take it and build me another house and a couple of Churches to boot. Edited by ICANT, : No reason given. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
So it does, in fact, matter very much what you or anybody else says the Bible says, since this is the only way anybody can take in the word, right? Wrong I can say anything I want, I can believe anything I want, that does not make it True. The only thing that makes it true is if God said it. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
So it does, in fact, matter very much what you or anybody else says the Bible says, nator, what I am trying to say is that I can tell you a lie, anybody else can tell you a lie. But God cannot tell you a lie. If you really want to know what God says you can take my statements or the statements of anyone else and compare them to what the Bible says. I use the King James 1611 Version, I think it is the most accurate English version. Some of the Greek versions are better but you have to know bibical greek to understand them. When you go to compare them ask God to help you understand what you are about to read. You can do this even if you don't believe He exists. You might be supprised what He can do. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5215 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
ICAN'T,
But God cannot tell you a lie. God isn't omnipotent, then. Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
But God cannot tell you a lie. Ezekiel 14:9And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. 2 Thessalonians 2:11For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. Hmmm.
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
ICAN'T, But God cannot tell you a lie. God isn't omnipotent, then.
What does God not being able to tell a lie have to do with Him being Almighty??????? "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Ezekiel 14:9 And if a prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have deceived that prophet. 2 Thessalonians 2:11For this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. I notice it says IF a prophet be deceived. God does not tell the lie in 2 Thessalonians 2:llThat is left up to you and I and a few million others. But He will allow them to believe it. "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Quetzal Member (Idle past 5892 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
nator is the one who kept bringing up biologist. I said science and evolutionist. Umm, biology IS the study of evolution - at least in large measure. The ToE really IS the fundamental underpinning of all of that science, its related sciences, and all of its myriad subdisciplines. As Dobzhansky put it well over a half-century ago: "Nothing in biology makes sense except in the light of evolution". Obviously schraf made the same connection. If you are NOT claiming that biologists are frauds, then your accusation that "evolutionists" are frauds is at best misleading. As it stands, if biologists (the folks whose science is most concerned with evolution) are not frauds - and you have singularly failed to provide any substantiation for this claim - then your assertion is falsified and if you have any integrity at all you should admit it. I suppose it is possible you mean something else. I'll give you a chance to clarify. In other words, how are you using the term? What is an "evolutionist" in this context? How is "evolutionist" different from the scientists who study evolution?
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5215 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
ICAN'T
What does God not being able to tell a lie have to do with Him being Almighty??????? Who said anything about almighty? Omnipotent means the ability to do anything. If he can't tell a lie then he can't do anything, & is therefore not omnipotent. Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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ICANT Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: Member Rating: 1.6 |
Who said anything about almighty? Omnipotent means the ability to do anything. If he can't tell a lie then he can't do anything, & is therefore not omnipotent. Source of definition please? "John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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mark24 Member (Idle past 5215 days) Posts: 3857 From: UK Joined: |
ICAN'T,
Source of definition please? New Oxford Dictionary of English. Omnipotent: Having unlimited power, able to do anything. Mark There are 10 kinds of people in this world; those that understand binary, & those that don't
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iceage  Suspended Member (Idle past 5935 days) Posts: 1024 From: Pacific Northwest Joined: |
ICANT writes: The Bible plainly says nations. I can't help how you interpet it. ICANT answer this: Are we going to be judged because of our nationality? Other translations are clearer.
NIV Matt25:32 writes: All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. It clearly says people. Which makes sense in the context.
ICANT writes: Jesus plainly said my brethren.To be a brother of Christ you have to either be a Jew or be a Born again child of God. So have it your way. If there are Christians (or Jews) that go without basic needs, while you live in plenty, you will be judged as is clearly noted in Matt 25 and Luke 16.
ICANT writes: It makes no difference what you or I say the Bible says. It only matters what God says in His Word. You are working overtime, to change the obvious meaning of the text. What about Luke 16, the principal was stressed again. As noted eariler Jesus spoke often of detachment of possessions, family relationships and even your own life. This is why Jesus gave the parable about the Pearl of great price. However, you want it all, you want the farm and and Pearl. Earlier on you mentioned you had your bases covered, playing a fools game of Pascal's Wager. You reject evolution because it "nothing to offer" while Christianity offers the survival of your ego. Later I realized you have created a modified version of Christianity. Edited by iceage, : No reason given. Edited by iceage, : No reason given.
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ringo Member (Idle past 432 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
ICANT writes: The Bible plainly says nations. "All nations" plainly means all the people from those nations - no exceptions, not even you. The what-you-do-to-them-you-have-done-to-me judgement applies to everybody.
Jesus plainly said my brethren. To be a brother of Christ you have to either be a Jew or be a Born again child of God. But it isn't up to us to judge who is a child of God. From our point of view, anybody could be a child of God. So for all intents and purposes, we need to treat everybody as Jesus' brethren. Any way you look at it, nobody is exempt from the judgement. And Jesus said explicitly that some who say, "Lord, Lord," will be surprised by their judgement - i.e. some who believe they are "children of God" are not. Edited by Ringo, : Spelling. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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