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dwise1
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Message 226 of 301 (397086)
04-24-2007 10:22 AM
Reply to: Message 217 by ICANT
04-24-2007 2:41 AM


Re: Everything Is A Choice
I believe that man without the shed blood of Jesus applied to his spirit will spend a conscience eternity in the lake of fire with the devil and the false prophets.
What about the followers of those false prophets? Even though those false prophets and their followers all claim to have "shed blood of Jesus applied to his spirit"?
"Creation science" is a false theology and its creators and proponents are false prophets. We have witnessed their wicked fruit by which we know them.
You choose to believe man and man's wisdom.
Which describes "creation science". Which you place above God in that you believe that if "creation science" is not true, then God does not exist.
Before you offer to remove the mote from my eye, please first remove the boulder from yours.
But a word of warning, this world is the devil's domain until Jesus comes back and he is very deceitful and is the father of all lies. So can you really believe what you think you see?
I've only seen that one used on me once before. A creationist emailed me suggesting that since Satan has dominion over the world, He had falsified all the fossil evidence in order to trick us into disbelieving in God. However, I replied to him, Satan never had to go through all that work. All He had to do was to leave the natural world as it was and instead invent a false theology that would trick its followers into believing that if the world really is as it truly is, then God could not possibly exist.
That false theology is "creation science" and, true to its supernatural creator, it is based on and works through lies and deception. So by following "creation science" and by promoting its lies and deception, which Christian deity are you actually serving? And if the religion that you claim to be following is true, then you and your false prophets will have your reward.
Off to the loch with yew, Nessie!
I thought I said my God had supplied everything I needed. Lets see I have a beautiful waterfront home, a 2007 Entourage van, a 2007 Nissan pickup, and a farm. They are all paid for all I have to pay is the taxes each year to the government to keep them.
God paid for all that? And signed the deeds over to you? Could you please scan and post the documents so that we can see God's own Signature? So far, the only god actually documented to exist is Amaterasu.
But then doesn't Satan pay His followers with worldly goods? Are you sure you checked the signature on those deeds?

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iceage 
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Message 227 of 301 (397148)
04-24-2007 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by ICANT
04-24-2007 2:41 AM


Re: Everything Is A Choice
ICANT writes:
I thought I said my God had supplied everything I needed. Lets see I have a beautiful waterfront home, a 2007 Entourage van, a 2007 Nissan pickup, and a farm. They are all paid for all I have to pay is the taxes each year to the government to keep them.
Of all the emphasis on homosexuality and abortion within modern Christian circles today it is interesting that Jesus instead emphasized wealth and comfort as a stumbling blocks to following him. There are numerous quotes attributed to Jesus on this issue - Ringo point out just few.
Right now there are people going hungry and are underclothed, why you sit in your self-satisfied comfort and material excess.
You are essentially denying the equivalent of Jesus the basics of human necessities while you drive about in you new vehicles and enjoy the good life.
Matthew 25 writes:
41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
44 "They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
45 "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
Maybe this is what Jesus means that the way is narrow - maybe the way is narrower than you think.

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ICANT
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Message 228 of 301 (397161)
04-24-2007 7:35 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by Quetzal
04-24-2007 9:41 AM


Re: Fraud
BTW: I thought you said that biologists were the ones committing all the fraud
nator is the one who kept bringing up biologist.
I said science and evolutionist.

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ICANT
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Message 229 of 301 (397166)
04-24-2007 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by dwise1
04-24-2007 10:22 AM


Re: Everything Is A Choice
Which you place above God in that you believe that if "creation science" is not true, then God does not exist.
I think you got me mixed up with someone else I have never mentioned creation science.
I said I believe God created the heavens and the earth at a time in the far distant past, billions possibly even trillions of years ago.
My belief has nothing to do with science. I believe it because the Bible says it. The Bible is God's Word so that means God said it and that settles it as far as I am concerned.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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sidelined
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Message 230 of 301 (397167)
04-24-2007 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by ICANT
04-24-2007 7:35 PM


Re: Fraud
ICANT
nator is the one who kept bringing up biologist.
I said science and evolutionist.
SO which science field of study is an evolutionist in by your reckoning?

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Message 231 of 301 (397187)
04-24-2007 9:20 PM
Reply to: Message 227 by iceage
04-24-2007 5:35 PM


Re: Everything Is A Choice
Maybe this is what Jesus means that the way is narrow - maybe the way is narrower than you think.
Jesus talking of the way being narrow is this:
The way to heaven is as wide as His outstretched arms on Calvary.
There is one way to heaven not 34,000 or more.
quote:
John 14:6 (KJS) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
You want to go to heaven? You have to believe that Jesus is the virgin born Son Of God, that He died on the cross for your sins, that He was buried and arose the 3rd day. Taking God at his Word that He will save you if you only trust Him. He has a free gift He will give you.
quote:
Roma 6:23 (KJS) For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Now to your Matt. 25:41-46
I suppose this means that I and those like me are to feed and cloth the world. Nice thought but the Bible does not say that you left out the most important verses. Talk about cherry pickin.
But first there are some things you need to know about understanding what the Bible says. I call it the six point question rule, BTW I learned these in journalism class.
Who is speaking?
To whom is He/She/It speaking?
Where is He/She/It speaking?
What is He/She/It speaking About?
When is He/She/It speaking?
Why is He/She/It speaking?
quote:
Matt 25:31 (KJS) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.
Verse 31 says Son of Man that is Jesus is speaking.
verse 32 tells us Jesus is speaking to all nations which are gathered before Him. Jesus sets the sheep nations on the right and the goat nations on the left.
Verse 31 tells us He is speaking from his throne of glory.
He is speaking about the promise made to Abraham that God would bless all nations that blessed Israel and curse all nations that cursed Israel. The nations that have helped Israel will be the sheep nations. The nations that have tried to destroy Israel will be cast out into everlasting punishment.
This will take place at the beginning of the 1,000 year reign of Christ while Satan is bound in the bottomless pit.
Verse 40 says the reason is because ye have done it unto the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
The judgment seat of Christ has taken place 7 years prior to this event.
So since I am ruling with Christ What does this have to do with me?
This has absolutly nothing to do with what a child of God is to do or not to do.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 232 of 301 (397188)
04-24-2007 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by sidelined
04-24-2007 7:47 PM


Re: Fraud
SO which science field of study is an evolutionist in by your reckoning?
The quote's in most cases don't specify the discipline. There was one biologist speaking in an interview mode that answered a question:
J: "Just stop right there. To be a molecular biologist requires one to hold on to two insanities at all times. One, it would be insane to believe in evolution when you can see the truth for yourself. Two, it would be insane to say you don't believe in evolution. All government work, research grants, papers, big college lectures - everything would stop. I'd be out of a job, or relegated to the outer fringes where I couldn't earn a decent living."
Before you say it: I know because this does not agree with what you folks believe you will say it is just a lie, or a fabrication.
You know what I have no way of knowing. Just as I have no way of knowing any of the stuff I have been reading for the past 42 days is correct. I like you have to believe what I read or reject what I read.
Since I don't believe anything I read and very little of what I see I have a real problem. It is called trusting people so I tend to believe God.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 233 of 301 (397189)
04-24-2007 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by Jazzns
04-23-2007 8:12 PM


Re: How is it possible
Which is why the world was most certainly created last Thursday.
Thanks for the laugh I needed that.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 234 of 301 (397191)
04-24-2007 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 218 by RickJB
04-24-2007 3:36 AM


Re: Fraud
Most importantly, how do explain what appears to be a ham-fisted attempt on your part to mischaracterise this information?
The questions I raised are just that questions.
If you want to refute something refute:
quote:
http://www.amnh.org/...sures/Evolution_of_Horses/horses.html
Cladistics, which the Museum has played an important role in developing, is the grouping of organisms by shared, specialized characteristics; each time a new evolutionary feature appears, a new branch grows on the evolutionary tree, comprising organisms that have both the old traits and the new one. Thus the display in the back shows that some later horses, such as Calippus, are actually smaller than earlier ones, and that other later horses, such as Neohipparion, still had three toes. This display is therefore both a classic demonstration of evolution and a paradigm of scientific method at the Museum.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 235 of 301 (397192)
04-24-2007 9:54 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by Larni
04-24-2007 6:36 AM


Re: Biologist
Why is this so?
The only way it could get here is to evolve from something.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 236 of 301 (397195)
04-24-2007 10:00 PM
Reply to: Message 228 by ICANT
04-24-2007 7:35 PM


Re: Fraud
quote:
nator is the one who kept bringing up biologist.
I said science and evolutionist.
You wondered how anyone could believe in Evolution.
Biology is the branch of science that most closely deals with Evolution (Genetics is a close second), therefore I asked you if you thought Biologists were stupid.
Now it turns out that you believe many Biologists are liars and frauds.
But if you want to extend it to include all scientists, it's fine by me; it just makes your job of providing evidence to support this claim that much more difficult.

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iceage 
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Message 237 of 301 (397196)
04-24-2007 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 231 by ICANT
04-24-2007 9:20 PM


Re: Everything Is A Choice
That is such a flawed analysis, with insertion of extracurricular interpretation, I don't even know where to start.
Just to keep it simple...
ICANT writes:
Verse 40 says the reason is because ye have done it unto the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Of which you immediately follow with....
ICANT writes:
The judgment seat of Christ has taken place 7 years prior to this event.
So since I am ruling with Christ What does this have to do with me?
That does not even make sense.

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Message 238 of 301 (397197)
04-24-2007 10:10 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by ringo
04-24-2007 10:05 AM


Re: Everything Is A Choice
Mat 19:21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Jesus is speaking to a lost religious rich Pharisee.
He is not talking to one of His children whom he has blessed.
Mat 19:24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
quote:
Matt 19:25 (KJS) When his disciples heard [it], they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?
26 But Jesus beheld [them], and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
Ringo, why did you not give the explanation that Jesus gave to His disciples. Would that be because it did not serve your purpose.
With God all things are possible.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 239 of 301 (397198)
04-24-2007 10:39 PM
Reply to: Message 238 by ICANT
04-24-2007 10:10 PM


ICANT writes:
Jesus is speaking to a lost religious rich Pharisee.
So it doesn't apply to that other rich Pharisee named "ICANT"?
He is not talking to one of His children whom he has blessed.
Show us chapter and verse where Jesus blessed His children with material goods.
Ringo, why did you not give the explanation that Jesus gave to His disciples.
"With God all things are possible," is not an explanation. Jesus was speaking of the fact that a rich man can not get to heaven (at least, he can't take his earthly riches with him). He was saying that God can level the inequities of earth.
It must be very convenient to believe that none of Jesus' teachings apply to you.
That smug attitude isn't very satisfying for most of us though.

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Message 240 of 301 (397201)
04-24-2007 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 237 by iceage
04-24-2007 10:07 PM


Re: Everything Is A Choice
That does not even make sense.
Unless you are a born again child of the King you won't understand.
quote:
1Cor 2:14 (KJS) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
This is the biggest problem with people trying to understand the Bible.
iceage, do you have any understanding of the end time events that will take place at the second coming of Jesus according to the Bible?
Jesus will come to claim His Bride, The Church.
The saved will receive new bodies.
The judgment seat of Christ will take place.
The marriage of the Lamb will take place.
The nations of the earth under the anti-Christ will go up to destroy Jerusalem.
Not all nations will join in this attempt to destroy Jerusalem.
Jesus will come with His Saints and angels and defeat all nations.
Jesus will judge the nations.
The sheep nations will go into the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
At the end of the 1,000 year of peace on earth because Satan is chained in the bottomless pit.
Satan will be loosed for a little season.
He will deceive the nations and gather them together to go up and destroy Jerusalem.
The battle of Armageddon will take place at this time.
The devil will be cast into the lake of fire.
All those who died without trusting Christ will be brought before the Great White Throne Judgment and judged out of the books and the book of life.
Those not found written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire.
There will then be a new heaven and a new earth.
There will be no more day and night, no sun or moon for God will be the light.
The New Jerusalem will descend and God will dwell with the glorified man forever.
Now folks the above statement of events is not complete just the main parts are covered. They are for information only I do not intend to explain all the scriptures that cover these statements.
I do not have the year that it would take to cover them in detail and since you would not believe it anyway what would be the use. If you want more information read Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Matthew 24, Amos, and Revelation.
quote:
1Joh 3:2 (KJS) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1The 4:17 (KJS) Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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