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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Jon writes: I don't know how to answer this question. Jesus is the only character of God that I can know. I cannot limit Gods ability to use other humans to teach me more about His personality, however. So, then your relationship is not with God, but with some human incarnation? How, then, is it any more special than a relationship with any other human? It is my belief that GOD needs to use no other human character than Jesus, but He could conceivably use The Holy Spirit speaking through another human.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Do you know Ben Franklin?
Do you know Henry VIII? Do you know Philip I of Castile? Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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If you say:
By default, we couldn't really know that we knew. But if god can do anything then he can make us really know that we know. I don't really know how we would know, though. then God might do something but we can not know that God did it?
No. We would really know that we knew.
So again, how can we know that it is God? I don't know how, but if God is omnipotent, he certainly has the power to make us able to know. ABE: Actually, strike that last line, it's not really true. Edited by Catholic Scientist, : see ABE:
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Jon writes:
Make it smarter. What would I have to do to get my cat to understand? How much smarter?
437%
(but seriously, how the hell am I supposed to know?)
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No. We would really know that we knew.
I don't know how, but if God is omnipotent, he certainly has the power to make us able to know.
If we are unable to know, then that god is not omnipotent. How would we know? The Heaven's Gate folk "Knew". The Jonestown folk "Knew". Charles Manson's followers "Knew". How would you know? Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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How would you know? I don't know how. I already said that.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
I don't know how. I already said that. Yet in each of the cases I mentioned, the people "Knew". Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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Yet in each of the cases I mentioned, the people "Knew". So? How do you "know" that you're not in The Matrix? Edited by Catholic Scientist, : syntax error
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yawn
Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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Typical christian not wanting to examine their beliefs.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
No, simply not letting you change the subject or pull a Gish Gallop. The thread is "God: Knowable or not Knowable?"
I do not allow folk to palm the pea and swap goal posts. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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I do not allow folk to palm the pea and swap goal posts. But that is what you are doing.
The thread is "God: Knowable or not Knowable?" My position is very simple. An omnipotent god has the power to be knowable because they have every/all power(s). You're the one changing the subject to how we can know.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Jar writes: Do you know Ben Franklin? Do you know Henry VIII? Do you know Philip I of Castile? No. They all daid.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
My position is very simple. An omnipotent god has the power to be knowable because they have every/all power(s). Yes, you do make that assertion.
You're the one changing the subject to how we can know. No, to claim that you know something you should be able to explain how you know. I provided examples of folk who Knew. Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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My position is very simple. An omnipotent god has the power to be knowable because they have every/all power(s).
Yes, you do make that assertion. Yes and it is logically sound. All it requires is that god is omnipotent. But we don't really know if he is or not.
No, to claim that you know something you should be able to explain how you know. But I don't claim to know god and I've admitted that I don't know how we would know god. I'm just saying that it is not impossible if the god is omnipotent. I know that through deductive reasoning.
I provided examples of folk who Knew. Yeah, uselessly.
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