What Is The Holy Spirit

My porn doesn't involve underaged virgins getting bonked. Gotta read the bible for that.So you think your holy polterghost showed up in her bedroom one night and said, "I'm gonna fuck you." and she just said "Sure."? Or maybe she cried "Take me! Take me! Take me!" since Joseph was kinda square about these things and only did oral.Also, in the early days of the church the holy spirit was a feminine polterghost. Guess they had a little lezzy action going on?

The authors of Matthew describe it this way: One could argue that Mary had no say in the matter and that by calling the baby Jesus instead of Immanuel Joseph relied on the dream more than the words of the early prophecy. I will continue after my 8 hour shift at work. Gotta run.

It appears that your question assumed the universe to be Trinitarian. I was only responding to that.

But what you presented was anathema under Trinitarian dogma.

Really? Are you saying that the Orthodox Church was not Trinitarian? Or are you simply making an argument from the perspective of Non-Trinitarians?

No Phat, I am saying what you describe is not Trinitarian but rather blasphemy. And of course the early orthodox church was not Trinitarian. Trinitaranism evolved long after the early church.

Duly noted. I'll have to study more church history. And 1x1x1=1. Whats your point?In fact, since you bring up church history, lets resume our argument here: Message 7Lest our audience is confused about the position you take, allow me to remind you. Thus I am assuming that in a "Trinitarian Universe"...which to me is a word salad term, you mean that this "Trinitarian Universe exists only within my imagination.
You claim to be a believer and have the badge to prove it, but you go on to say this: Thus it appears that you shoot yourself in the foot by claiming to be a believer on one hand yet arguing in favor of lack of evidence as trumping belief.We all agree that you have read the Bible, so lets go to the Gospel of Mark. We all know that churches baptize with wateer...be it a sprinkle or a dunking. John the Baptist is referring to Jesus Christ and mentions that Jesus will baptize with the Holy Spirit. So here we see a voice from the Heavens(GOD?) Jesus getting dunked and a Spirit descending on Him like a dove.(The Holy Spirit?) And perhaps the question here is what the author intended for us to see. Was it just an old crazy prophet dunking Jesus in a river? Did John or any onlookers hear a voice?

Sheesh Phat.There is simply NOTHING in your post that has anything to do with the topic.

I guess that is why Christians like this story so much. It leaves a lot to the imagination.For instance, mine.I can imagine a whole lot of priests got a whole lot of benefit from it, human imagination being what it is.

So you claim. Yet you are not the one framing the topic.Lets look again at Mark 1:10.
10 And immediately, coming up from the water, He saw the heavens parting and the Spirit descending upon Him like a dove. 11 Then a voice came from heaven,"You are My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." NKJV

What was the author describing?
What is the "Spirit" in this sentence?
Where did this Spirit come from?
WHO spoke?

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Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

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far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.- Dr.John Lennox

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The whole war between the atheist and the theist comes down to this: the atheist believes a 'what' created the universe; the theist believes a 'who' created the universe.
- Criss Jami, Killo

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The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him. Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).

You can imagine anything that you like. Or rather...that IT likes. Or you can submit your imagination under the discipline of the Holy Spirit. The choice and responsibility are yours.

No one knows Phat; other than flowery writing by some unknown author, editor or redactor. AbE:add translator /AbE
It is an attempt at poetry and has no meaning beyond whatever the words conjure in the hearers individual mind.AbE:This is the topic Phat; for you or anyone who believes in the Trinitarian concept to explain what the Holy Spirit is and then try to justify the Trinitarian claim that there is but one God. Edited by jar, : see AbE's.

I disagree. Lets say that you are doing a science experiment. You may successfully replicate a predicted result many times until you cautiously conclude that a vaccine is safe for human use, for example. Through your eyes you see the results appear numerically on paper. Through followup interviews with subjects and control groups you mine data and check and recheck your results and conclusions.Now lets take "The Holy Spirit" into the Lab. Not every scientist can simply do this because they dont *know* that such a critter exists...certainly not to the extent that they conclude this awareness...this presence or feeling of peace, wisdom, and "good vibes" towards others can be quantified. How do they know, for example that this awareness...this feeling...this attitude is anything more than gas from a bad burrito from last nights meal? (Through sensing the same presence after a night of fasting, perhaps.) Through feeling unusually generous towards others whom they otherwise may be selfish towards. Through a sense of wisdom to only help and encourage others and not to try and "win" or "judge" or feel superior towards, or anything that you (the control group) may charge to be found in any Buddhist, or Atheist, or Muslim. In summation, my point of contention is with your presentation of logic,, reason, and reality itself. Im not saying you are not right but your perspective and conclusion is not right for me. It is not how I believe and it is not how I understand reality. And yet how do you know that it is NOT God?Edited by Phat, : No reason given.

You would be a frustrating teacher had I signed up for your class. Not only would you force me out of my comfort zone of like minded believers, you would actually get me to test my belief with critical thinking and unbiased experimentation. It is a mystery to me why you dont simply believe and reinforce certainty rather than eternal doubt. It nearly seems like GOD knows andc loves you and the others here at EvC just as much as He loves me, yet allows you to question, doubt, and even deny Him while I am trying to get you to not do those things. There is One God. Even if I threw religion and the Bible away, the belief makes perfect sense. Pantheism is weak and indecisive. Polytheism is ignorant.
Monotheism assures me that if I have a problem with a product, the Store Director owes me the rights of a customer. He can, of course, refuse to give me what I demand. How confusing would it be if I had a room full of "Store Directors" who chose to vote a consensus and I was forced to conform if I wanted to be part of that buyers club? I have never been taught inclusivity or shared truth. I have been taught exclusively and absolutely. I feel stronger in that. No Democratic consensus will ever pass a law that forces me to be nice. Or mean. [/rant]

We need to see the details of your experimental design.