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iano Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
what the authors meant does not fit your ideas, which are modern ideas, not ancient ideas. Humanism has got ancient roots. Nothing new under the sun - remember?
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It means that we live today not 2000 years ago. For a religion to have any value it must address the issues and conditions of the moment, not simply those of 2000 years ago.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
You never ask specific questions, and when you ask vague questions you refuse to accept my answers. Are you a Christian?
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iano Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
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ringo Member (Idle past 434 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
robinrohan writes: Are you a Christian? Ask me in an appropriate thread. Help scientific research in your spare time. No cost. No obligation. Join the World Community Grid with Team EvC
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Brian Member (Idle past 4981 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
If you don't respect the law of gravity, you hit the ground! Okay, so there is a law that says if you do not do as Jesus asks then you go to Hell? If this is what you are getting at, who created this law?
Not if Jesus is the fullfillment of the Law. What law?
All He is saying is that people need to acknowledge Him or reap the enevitable consequences of seperation from the source. You do not see a conditional clause in that sentence? (the 'or' is a give away)
So are you suggesting that Christ(If He exists ) should allow us to do whatever we want? No, that's not what I am saying, I am saying He shouldn't force us to believe in Him by putting a condition on salvation. Anyway, it pretty much looks as if anyone can do virtually what they want, just take a look at the world and Jesus ignores the problems.
IF God sent His Son, who was and is eternal..(as is God), to earth as a witness to the absolute and unconditional love of God, But God's love is not unconditional, maybe if it was there would be more followers.
then DOES everyone have to acknowledge this authority and law? Only if you are scraed to go to Hell.
IF God accepted everyone---those who believe and those who mock---then does that make Gods love unconditional?? Of course.
In order to make the whole thing work, DO people have to acknowledge God at some point? Make what whole thing work?
If not, would it be unconditional love for God to allow the unbelievers to continue to exist in their own comfort zone? God has the power to save everyone, that He isn;t prepared to do so unless you fulfill certain conditions means that god isn't worth the effort. Brian.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4981 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Spin?
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iano Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
Nope. And no new letters. Its not a verb though (actually it can be - but not in the sense meant here)
Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4981 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Ask me in an appropriate thread.
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iano Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
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Brian Member (Idle past 4981 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
Skin?
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iano Member (Idle past 1963 days) Posts: 6165 From: Co. Wicklow, Ireland. Joined: |
You are smart - but that's not it and no new letter. I'm off home and will check there. But whilst I ride there: its something that everyone of us does - usually once a day
{AbE} you do remember it is an exclamation don't you? Edited by iano, : No reason given.
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Brian Member (Idle past 4981 days) Posts: 4659 From: Scotland Joined: |
How can it be an threat (in the classic sense of the word) if there is no condition that can be met by you. If there is no condition that can be met by you then its a pointless argument.
Sounds more like a promise to me. Sounds like wanting your cake and eating it too.
You cannot have a conditional love if you cannot meet the conditions can you? We only have your word that we cannot meet the conditions. I don't happen to agree with your interpretation of the Bible, so we are back to square one. What is the point of Jesus asking you to do something that you cannot do? Does it amuse Him to see people try?
There is something missing from your conclusion. Not if you get the premises correct.
Yes, you will go to Hell unless you( I mean 'you' in the sense of a person being a non-Christian)do as Jesus commands you to do. I already told you that I am saved, I am not going to Hell. Once you uncover the Jesus myth you are set free from its shackles.
But you cannot do as he commands so to hell you will go. Of course I can do as He commands, I just don't need to anymore.
Now I don't do what Jesus commands me to do either (I may follow his commands less than you per chance do in fact) but I am going to heaven. What is the difference between you and me? The only difference is that I am a Christian (which doesn't describe the mechanisms involved in making thing the way they are - its 'just' an umbrella title for all of that) and you are not a Christian. The resolution to the apparent dilemma lies within that single item (and all that that entails) So, let me get this right, you are going to heaven because you are a Christian. That seems a very nice reward for being a good person, a bit like a condition. Become a Christian and be saved, OR do not become a Christian and burn. Another example of Jesus conditional love. If you are required to become a Christian in order to be saved, then there is a condition placed on your salvation. Brian. Brian.
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robinrohan Inactive Member |
It means that we live today not 2000 years ago. For a religion to have any value it must address the issues and conditions of the moment, not simply those of 2000 years ago. But the book doesn't change. What the authors intended doesn't change. If you graft modern ideas onto passages that the authors never intended, then the book as any sort of authority has no value. In that case, it's just a book like any other. In such a case, it does not matter that the idea came out of the Bible, and so there's no point in trying to foist modern ideas onto it that aren't there. You might as well just throw out the Bible, in which case you get rid of some ideas that don't fit modernity (and I'm not talking about little details of daily life, like where to park your ox, but central concepts), and then you won't have to ignore them or try to wiggle some new meaning out of them that the authors never intended.
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jar Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But the book doesn't change. What the authors intended doesn't change. I agree. The question then is what the authors intended. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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