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So the Bible must be true because the Bible says it is true!Why am I reasoning in sinful ways? You reject 9999 of the 10000 (or whatever) religions. I just reject one more than you. But my reasoning is sinful and yours is reasonable! Why do you reject Islam, or Taoism, or Buddhism?If you want to believe in God, that is your business. But when you come up with statements about scientific theories, I suggest you provide some arguments or evidence supporting your views. Otherwise they belong in the trash can along with Atlantis, Scientology, Astral travelling, etc.

i have togo now but ill be back to defend my position. bye and no hard feelings guys

Thank you for letting us know you will need more time before you can get back. That is polite.

many thanks for the pointers, and many more for giving them with politeness.------------------
Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit.

"So the Bible must be true because the Bible says it is true!"It aint simply because the bible says it, it is because God said it. This of course is valid only if you believe in God and it is the only way it can be understood. You will not acept this because you dont believe and im not here to force you. if God allows you to believe whatever you want so will I."Why am I reasoning in sinful ways? You reject 9999 of the 10000 (or whatever) religions. I just reject one more than you. But my reasoning is sinful and yours is reasonable! Why do you reject Islam, or Taoism, or Buddhism?"Simple. Because they dont accept jesus as the one and only son of god and christianity does. Thats why it is the only religion that doesnt get along with the others. Jesus said "i am the way, the truth, and life". "Nobody can have have a direct relationship with god if it aint thru me". Jesus was the only one with the guts to say such a thing and to back it up with his actions and words. he others that have claimed to be him say it but cant demostrate it like he did. the other religions cant accept this because they try to fit the word of god to them instead of molding themselves to gods word. see the difference."I suggest you provide some arguments or evidence supporting your views."This is more experience than theory. give god a try. a sincere try and youll find out what i mean when you feel his presence in your life and feel him guiding you in life every step of the way

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"So the Bible must be true because the Bible says it is true!"

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It aint simply because the bible says it, it is because God said it.

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Um, but you read it in the Bible, which you belive is God's word, correct?That means you believe what the bible says because you believe what the Bible says.Circular reasoning, sorry.

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This of course is valid only if you believe in God

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Not true. There are many, many people who believe in God without the biblle.

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and it is the only way it can be understood.

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Also very obviously not true. the Bible is understood at least 600 different ways in the US alone.

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"Why am I reasoning in sinful ways? You reject 9999 of the 10000 (or whatever) religions. I just reject one more than you. But my reasoning is sinful and yours is reasonable! Why do you reject Islam, or Taoism, or Buddhism?"

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Simple. Because they dont accept jesus as the one and only son of god and christianity does.

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So, you believed in Jesus as the son of God as something separate from Christianity??Your faith seems to be based upon your belief that the Bible is the word of God, but lots of other religions, some much older than Christianity, also base their faith upon holy books or writings.Therefore, you have no more evidence than any other religion that yours is correct.

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Thats why it is the only religion that doesnt get along with the others.

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Um, groups of people of different religions have been having trouble getting along for much longer than the existance of Christianity.

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Jesus said "i am the way, the truth, and life". "Nobody can have have a direct relationship with god if it aint thru me". Jesus was the only one with the guts to say such a thing and to back it up with his actions and words. he others that have claimed to be him say it but cant demostrate it like he did.

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What, exactly, is your non-biblical evidence that Jesus demonstrated anything at all?

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the other religions cant accept this because they try to fit the word of god to them instead of molding themselves to gods word. see the difference.

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No, actually, I see very little difference between what believers of various faiths say to justify their beliefs.

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"I suggest you provide some arguments or evidence supporting your views."

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This is more experience than theory. give god a try. a sincere try and youll find out what i mean when you feel his presence in your life and feel him guiding you in life every step of the way

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How do you know you aren't just imagining God's presence?Also, what do you say to those of us who were once ardent belivers who's prayers were never answered?

Thanks, Schraf, Looks like I can sit back and leave it to you, while I go and argue about young suns!
Mike.

I hope I haven't interrupted your fun by jumping in.

"give god a try. a sincere try"Did that. Didn't work out. I'm not alone. There are lots of former believers in the world.

Same here. Studied Christianity (Read the New Testament twice, and much of the Old), Then studied many other religions, mysticism and several cults, finally studied science and philosophy to determine what I NEEDED to believe and what I could JUSTIFY belief in, and ended up an atheist.
Mike.

".... studied many other religions, mysticism and several cults..."You obviously didn't study them too hard, because on the subject of lucifarionism and their other denominations (Often associated as satanism)you'll find that some of their experiences/actions are pretty solid proof that natural reasoning is only skin deep, and believe me, I've been around it once or twice. I find it hard to believe that someone could sit around during a gathering(and possibly a 'channeling') and say "Oh, well that's not real." And if you KNOW what I'm talking about, you have been present during the event, and you still think it's all a bunch of hocus pocus, then abra kadabra to you too. I don't understand.------------------
Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit.[This message has been edited by Born2Preach, 12-02-2003][This message has been edited by Born2Preach, 12-02-2003]

I have to agree with Mike on this one. I've known plenty of Wiccans, and there's nothing special going on there.By the way, if you knew what Satanism was, you'd realize that Satanists are typically atheists, and don't actually believe in Satan (or any sort of magic). I.e., the Church of Satan.------------------
"Illuminant light,
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Born2Preach, I assure you that I, too, have had some very profound, moving religios/mystical experiences. I consider them an important part of my life, and they may even be an important part of what it is to be "human". However, I would never claim that they are anything more than mental states that can be explained through psychology, neurology, and may even have an adaptive value to the species.

"if you knew what Satanism was, you'd realize that Satanists are typically atheists, and don't actually believe in Satan (or any sort of magic). "I agree. Satanism is the opposite of Christianity. It is indulgence and the doubting of spirituality. But remember I mentioned that I wasn't talking about 'satanism', but groups of people often branded as satanists.(Edited because I typed 'branded as cattle' instead of 'branded as satanists'. I've got no idea why I typed that, except that I had a glass of milk before I got on the computer a few minutes ago)
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Wanna feel God? Step onto the wrestling mat and you'd be crazy to deny the uplifting spirit.[This message has been edited by Born2Preach, 12-03-2003]

"Hi Born. I share your views to a certain extent. I believe the universe to be older than 6000+ years. I don't think God is restricted by human time limits or laws and certainly operate outside the 'bounds' of time."omfg people read the book you belive in Adam was created only 6000 years ago!!!!! that means the earth is 6007 years old ( according to the bible ) ohh please......... the only thing worse than a contradive christian is a fat contradive christian.