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Minnemooseus
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Message 1 of 52 (13287)
07-10-2002 9:03 PM


I am deliberately putting this into the "Faith and Belief" area, rather than into the "Geology and the Great Flood" area.
I start this new topic with the premise that the Noahatic flood actually happened. The reality of that flood, is here assumed as a given. Now, this may have been in a YEC or OEC framework - for this discussion, it doesn't matter.
I normally stay clear of the theological discussions, but I have come to wonder about one or more questions.
Now, as I understand it, the flood is considered to be an act of re-creation, apparently to fix what had gone wrong after the original creation (which apparently wasn't as "good" as God originally thought).
Now for the questions:
1) Did indeed, the original creation, turn out not to be "good"?
And more important:
2) Was the re-creation act of the flood a success? Did it's happening result is a better world, than that which would have been, had the flood not happened?
As I see it, the flood had no positive results. It is a detail in the Bible, that has no real significance.
Comments?
Moose
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BS degree, geology, '83
Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Old Earth evolution - Yes
Godly creation - Maybe

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Minnemooseus
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Message 4 of 52 (13302)
07-10-2002 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Tranquility Base
07-10-2002 9:41 PM


TB, setting aside the bulk of your message, I ask:
What did God accomplish, by means of the flood?
Moose

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Minnemooseus
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Message 6 of 52 (13309)
07-10-2002 10:59 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Tranquility Base
07-10-2002 10:42 PM


quote:
The flood killed of a particularly degenerate man,...
OK, I guess I'll buy that.
quote:
...reshaped the earth's surface creating mounains, hills and basins with variable climates. It resurfaced the earth with volcanically generated minerals for agricultural furtility. It separated the continets and peoples to individual identities.
Note: Still operating under the premise that the flood was a real event.
Question 1) How much of that last part, is documented in the bible?
Question 2) Why was this reshaping of the earth's environment needed? One can't seem to blame environmental deficiencies on the pre-flood failings of humanity. Was part of the original creation blotched? Or just left uncompleted?
Moose

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Minnemooseus
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Message 8 of 52 (13891)
07-21-2002 5:05 PM


Quoting myself, from the initial message:
quote:
And more important:
2) Was the re-creation act of the flood a success? Did it's happening result is a better world, than that which would have been, had the flood not happened?
As I see it, the flood had no positive results. It is a detail in the Bible, that has no real significance.
I'll give this topic a bump, by (perhaps) clarifying my motivation in starting it.
I intended this topic to be a theological discussion, of the significance of the flood, regardless of if it was a physical reality or just a symbolic passage.
So, what did God accomplish by means of the flood?
Moose

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