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Tranquility Base
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Message 3 of 52 (13296)
07-10-2002 9:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Minnemooseus
07-10-2002 9:03 PM


Moose
The original creation was marred by the fall descibed in early Gen (the curses on Satan, man, woman and the earth are all explained and linked to each other). These curses are all reversed or finalized in the book of Revelation specifically.
The flood was just one step in a process the earth underwent/is undergoing. Earth began out of water, then the flood, firey vulcanism, the separation of continents and the coming firey refinement. These individually parallel the timeline of Israel, the Church, a person's life and Christ's life. NAtural birth, baptism in water and fire, speration to God given identiy (sanctification) and perfection at the last day. it is a seamless comparison for earth, man, the church, Israel and Christ. It is utterly amazing and reveals the deepest truths of God, the universe and everything - seriously.
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Message 5 of 52 (13306)
07-10-2002 10:42 PM
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07-10-2002 10:29 PM


The flood killed of a particularly degenerate man, reshaped the earth's surface creating mounains, hills and basins with variable climates. It resurfaced the earth with volcanically generated minerals for agricultural furtility. It separated the continets and peoples to individual identities.
Who knows in detail but by analogy to baptism in water and the spirit (this analogy is specifically made in the NT) I suspect he achieved a lot. We just don't quite know exactly what the pre-flood surface and climate was like.
PS - even the speaking in tongues of Acts 2 is in parellel with the Tower of Babel following the flood. God loves unification (John 17)but chooses to diversify before unifying. God honours our individual identities whilst at the same time offerring us onesness with him. The trinity is no different internally, 3 but 1.
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Message 7 of 52 (13318)
07-11-2002 1:15 AM
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07-10-2002 10:59 PM


Moose
There are dozens of sciptures in Psalms etc referring to both mountains and waters 'quaking' and 'rushing'. A non-allegorical interpretation is uggestive of the creation and the flood.
The volcanic mineral thing is in analogy with the fruits of the Holy Spirit. I could do a Bible Studty on it - we'll see. I'm not particularly aware of a scriputre associating the flood volcanism with fruitfulness it is just a personal theory. The scriptures perhaps talk of the continental drift in the 'days of Peleg after the flood' but I won't be dogmatic on that and obviously the Tower of Babel event is unambiguously the seperaton of peoples based on tongue.
Q2 is a good question. I have no idea except that our land was cursed when we were. Something happened to creation when the fall occurred. The land became hard to work, childbirth was harder etc. This is a deep mystery that I do not have the answer too and yet suspect it is consistent with the other patterns I have spoken of. Creation was not botched - there was a fall clearly documented as you know!

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Message 10 of 52 (13975)
07-23-2002 1:26 AM
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07-23-2002 12:01 AM


^ I see the creation day 3 waters as birth and the flood as rebirth. Seems quite consistent.

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