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Author Topic:   THE EVOLUTIONISTS' GUIDE TO PROPER CHRISTIAN BEHAVIOUR
Jet
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Message 1 of 120 (25943)
12-08-2002 12:55 PM


OK all you Darwinian philosophers out there. Here is your chance to instruct Christians on how to behave as a "Proper Christian" so that they do not offend any pagans, heretics, agnostics, nihilists, satanists, or anti-theists. Have at it!
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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?
Prof. George Greenstein

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Jet
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Message 8 of 120 (26008)
12-09-2002 3:17 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Admin
12-08-2002 2:00 PM


Originally posted by Admin:
I believe the Christian position is that you should treat others the way you would want them to treat you.
***You are only partially correct. We are also instructed to offer subtle insult to those who utterly reject the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. Perhaps I am not always as subtle as I should be.***
Originally posted by Admin:
More evolutionists than not are members of one religion or another, and there is no uniformity in their religious views.
***I would not disagree, but this simply reinforces my argument concerning pagans, heretics, and anti-theists.***
Originally posted by Admin:
But you're not being asked to adhere to Christian principles. I only mentioned it because of my surprise that it is a Christian whose behavior is least consistent with them than anyone else here.
***Of all the comments you make here, this one seems most incredulous. Either you have not payed close enough attention to everyone else or perhaps you are making an attempt to bait me. At any rate, one need only read some of the postings by several evolutionists to recognize that their behaviour in no way resembles the Christian behaviour, but on the contrary, present a totally agnostic view which at times has been adamantly anti-Christian in nature.
As you yourself stated to another poster concerning forum guideline violations.......""It certainly has come to my attention, but my ability to detect guideline violations on both sides of the debate is not balanced.""
Perhaps your concentration upon my violations, as well as my noticing your unbalanced enforcement of those violations committed by others who have been directly posting to me, has played a significant part in my "unacceptable" behaviour. Personally, I believe that my ability to "piss off" some of the evolutionists through the exposure of certain failures of the TOE, has also contributed to this dilema.
Once again I will endeavor to follow forum guidelines with the acknowledgement that if further violations do happen to surface, that the unbalance that I have observed thus far will continue until a staunch creationist joins you in monitoring the forums. With that in mind, I will attempt to follow forum guidelines with the understanding that next time I will get a weeks vacation. One can only do ones' best and I will endeavor to do mine but I make no promises because I would hate to break that promise.***
Shalom
Jet
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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?
Prof. George Greenstein

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Jet
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Message 9 of 120 (26009)
12-09-2002 3:31 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by Chara
12-09-2002 1:48 AM


Originally posted by Chara:
Jet,
You and I both know that we don't need to look to anyone or anything else for our "rules of conduct". Our fearless leader *silly grin* pointed out the conduct of Jesus who when reviled, reviled not. There are also numerous passages exhorting us as believers to be gentle, kind, etc., etc.
The thing is, we don't get to judge those who don't believe by the same standards ... but they do get to judge us. Drat, eh? They know the standard ... and they expect us to live by it .... forgetting that we are human too. Don't lose heart ... do not weary in doing good and remember when we say we speak/act/live for God, EVERYTHING we do tells about God ... and we either tell a lie, or we tell the truth.
Sermonette over :-)
oh yeah, you don't HAVE to click the post button (this is the only medium in which we can really "think before we speak")
***I think that what is not understood by the administrator, as well as many of the evolutionists, is that Christ was not some goody two-shoes who went around letting everyone abuse him or his words. He was extremely outspoken to those who at least professed to have some knowledge of the scriptures, which many of these evolutionists seem to have. I don't know, perhaps it is an underlying concern that I have for those who have rejected the Living Word of God that compells me to verbally slap some sense into them, so to speak. At any rate, I have not come across a single evolutionist who was well versed enough in the Holy Scriptures to make an informed and intelligent observation on the entirety of the Word of God. More's the pity!***
Shalom
Jet
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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?
Prof. George Greenstein

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Jet
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Message 16 of 120 (26042)
12-09-2002 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Admin
12-09-2002 8:06 AM


Originally posted by Admin:
Nominations for a staunch Creationist moderator are now open. Fred Williams has already informed me that he doesn't have the available time right now.
***I haven't been back long enough to make an accurate assessment of who may qualify for this position. I may venture to nominate someone once I have become more familiar with board members.***
Shalom
Jet
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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?
Prof. George Greenstein
[This message has been edited by Jet, 12-09-2002]

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Jet
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Message 19 of 120 (26058)
12-09-2002 3:14 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by Karl
12-09-2002 3:35 AM


Originally posted by Karl:
What does evolution have to do with "rejecting the Living Word of God"?
***Evolution has absolutely nothing to do with rejecting the Living Word of God. It is the acceptance of the TOE as the means by which man has come into being that causes men to do so. I know many evolutionists would love to have their cake and eat it too but that is not a possibility. You either accept the Word of God at face value, or you reject it in order to satisfy you own preconceived ideas of how man got here. You simply cannot accept the TOE while clinging to some bastardized form of what you perceive to be the Word of God. Don't bother arguing the point of "interpretation" with me. The Holy Scripture interprets itself without any outside help. You can argue against that point all you want but you will continue to be in error if you make any attempt to do so. Do not blame me for this dilema you face. I did not write the Bible, nor did I include within its' pages the instructions on how to obtains its' Truths, God did! So if you have a problem with that I suggest you take it up with Him.***
Shalom
Jet
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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?
Prof. George Greenstein

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Jet
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Message 33 of 120 (29817)
01-21-2003 9:05 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by Karl
12-09-2002 4:20 PM


quote:
Originally posted by Karl:
I don't face any dilemma. That's your intellectual problem, not mine.
Intellectualism has many faces.......so does ignorance. None of us is capable of championing a position on every subject known to man, although some people believe that they are experts on everything, simply by virtue of their own existance. As far as facing a "dilema", some do indeed find it more comfortable to simply turn their back on that which they either cannot, or will not, acknowledge. Personally, I openly reject the TOE because it refuses to abide by the true tenets of science, is incapable of explaining the existance of life, and requires far too much blind faith to believe in its' unsubstantiated claims. Sorry
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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?
Prof. George Greenstein

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Jet
Inactive Member


Message 38 of 120 (30348)
01-27-2003 3:55 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by nator
01-24-2003 8:48 AM


Actually, there was a lenghty discussion on this already in a forum I started in "Is it Science" but, for the sake of argument I will outline the basic flaws in the TOE as it pertains to true science.
***There are several fundamental characteristics that identify a field of study as being "scientific".
Genuine science is objective and invites scrutiny and investigation. It does not ridicule the critics of its conclusions, but instead silences their criticisms by setting forth the evidence from which those conclusions are drawn.
Genuine science seeks the truth that explains the observed evidence. It does not prejudice the investigation by ruling out, from the start, hypotheses that may very well provide the best explanation for the observed evidence.
Genuine science rejects any hypothesis that consistently fails to fit observed scientific evidence. It does not persistently assume that the fault lies in the evidence rather than in the hypothesis itself.
On all three counts, the commonly-accepted "Theory of Evolution" fails the test of being scientific.***(please see original posting in the aforementioned forum to access reference site.)
As to your "wind" comment, I have been instructed by the administrator not to insult other members, which would be the only appropriate response to that sophomoric query.
As to your reliance on "evidence", I must question your sincerity. There is far more evidence of Intelligent Design throughout the universe than there is for what I can only consider a most childish theory, that being the TOE. I do not mean to be insulting here, it is just that the TOE is so bankrupt when it comes to honest scientific analysis that it is my personal conclusion that only childlike faith, such as believing in santa claus or the easter bunny, can enable someone to accept the TOE at face value.
As an ex-christian, (albeit a catholic, which is a matter best discussed in another forum), you must surely understand the neccessity of faith when it comes to accepting that which cannot be proven beyond all reasonable doubt using nothing beyond the methods of true scientific inquiry. Belief in Intelligent Design, given the overwhelming evidence throughout the universe, is a much more logical conclusion to arrive at than a belief in the TOE.
I realize that you differ with me on this matter and I doubt that I would be able to convince you of any error on your part because of your animosity towards christianity, based upon false revelations you received while you were a catholic. Nevertheless, I must continue to try to persuade you that the TOE is totally incorrect and that there truly is a Creator of the Universe and all that it holds within its' expanse, and beyond.
Shalom
Jet
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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?
Prof. George Greenstein
[This message has been edited by Jet, 01-29-2003]

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Jet
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Message 43 of 120 (30499)
01-28-2003 11:49 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Admin
01-27-2003 4:21 PM


I must admit I didn't see that suspension coming. Apparently it is appropriate to refer to someone as a "loon" or as being "crazy", but to reference someones' comment as being "sophomoric" is a no-no. Go figure!
Sophomoric: Exhibiting immaturity. Lack of judgment.
Crazy: Affected with madness; insane. Foolish or impractical; senseless.
Loon: One who is crazy or deranged. A lunatic.
Perhaps the problem is that the definitions of these terms has been changed and that I now need a new dictionary to keep me abreast of our 21st century vernacular.
Shalom
Jet
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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?
Prof. George Greenstein

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Jet
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Message 44 of 120 (30501)
01-29-2003 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by edge
01-25-2003 3:05 PM


I am almost afraid to reply to posts anymore, as even the most modest negativity voiced by me results in suspension. At any rate, I will respond to that which I feel is safe to respond to.
1. John Paul? If your reference concerns the current pope then all I can say is contact Schraf. She is the ex-catholic here and better qualified to comment on infallibility. If John Paul is merely the name of a member of the EVC then no, I don't know John Paul.
2. Actually, I am quite demanding when it comes to creationism. In fact, I must hold the idea of "Creation by Intelligent Design" to an even higher standard than the TOE because with the acceptance of creationism, one must also accept personal responsibility for ones' actions, acknowledging both accountability and a day or reckoning. Acceptance of the TOE demands neither. The only demand of the TOE is survival of the fittest, be it through mutation or subjugation.
3. Please reference my initial post in "Evolution is not Science" for a better understanding on the failures of the TOE to withstand the test of being a viable scientific endeavor. Then feel free to comment further on this matter.
Shalom
Jet
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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?
Prof. George Greenstein

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Jet
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Message 45 of 120 (30502)
01-29-2003 12:18 AM
Reply to: Message 42 by Admin
01-28-2003 4:18 PM


Enjoy?
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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?
Prof. George Greenstein

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Jet
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Message 46 of 120 (30507)
01-29-2003 1:08 AM
Reply to: Message 40 by DanskerMan
01-27-2003 11:07 PM


Be not dismayed at the obvious unfair treatment that I often receive at this website, (albeit, I do appreciate the notice that you posted, and any support that is directed towards myself, regardless of whether or not my views themselves are supported).
Percy, Schraf, and a few others that need not be mentioned, have an open hostility towards me, but usually rely on the excuse that not all posts or posters can be properly supervised given the limited man/womanpower at this present time.
Their hostility towards me is to be expected, considering that I am a strong advocate of creationism as well as an extremely vocal opponent of the TOE. I harbor no ill will towards any of them. I simply accept that they are misled and illinformed. Much of the behaviour exhibited by the administrators concerning my suspensions is based more upon their objection to my belief than to anything else. Vulgarity and insult is not a prerequisite when it comes to silencing me for a time, as you have obviously noticed.
Still, I am willing to bide my time in order to voice my opinions and objections to the TOE. Again, thanks for your support, limited as it may be.
Shalom
Jet
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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?
Prof. George Greenstein

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Jet
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Message 50 of 120 (30616)
01-29-2003 10:34 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by DanskerMan
01-29-2003 2:14 PM


Thanks for the support.
Shalom
Jet
(p.s. Love the signature!)
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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?
Prof. George Greenstein

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Jet
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Message 51 of 120 (30618)
01-29-2003 10:42 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by edge
01-29-2003 10:20 PM


Edge: Yeah, I know what you mean. Personally, it's the theory of Plate Tectonics that keeps me on the straight and narrow.
*** LOL .......gotta love crustal plate subduction! The ultimate recycling machine!***
Shalom
Jet
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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?
Prof. George Greenstein

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Jet
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Message 53 of 120 (30623)
01-29-2003 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by wj
01-29-2003 11:16 PM


That was original! Here is some friendly advice concerning your attempt at comedic interfacing, not to mention sardonic interlocution. Don't quit your day job!
Shalom
Jet
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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?
Prof. George Greenstein
[This message has been edited by Jet, 01-29-2003]

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Jet
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Message 55 of 120 (30629)
01-29-2003 11:59 PM
Reply to: Message 54 by edge
01-29-2003 11:26 PM


That wasn't much better, but you get a half thumbs up for effort.
Shalom
Sardonically,
Jet
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As we survey all the evidence, the thought insistently arises that some supernatural agency - or, rather, Agency - must be involved. Is it possible that suddenly, without intending to, we have stumbled upon scientific proof of the existence of a Supreme Being? Was it God who stepped in and so providentially crafted the cosmos for our benefit?
Prof. George Greenstein

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