1. If God is who he claims to be he calls the shots.
If I have a gun to your head, so do I. Does power make morality, Buz?
2. What he does and requires is best for the universe and the planet at large for the irradication of evil. It's his universe and his planet. He knows what's best to suit him.
You can't eradicate evil by
doing evil. You know...like torturing people for eternity. And if I have a pet, and it's my house and my pet, I
still don't have the right to set my pet on fire if it doesn't come when I call - and I'm not just talking about the law.
3. If he's really king/majesty/almighty who are we to oppose him. We loose if we do.
If I really have a gun to your head, who are you to oppose me? You lose if you do. Come one, Buz. This isn't morality. This is Might Makes Right.
4. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom according to Proverbs. If he's intelligent and wise enough to design everything he knows what's best for the planet and universe.
Fearing a guy with a gun to your head would be pretty wise, too, Buz. That doesn't mean the
terrorist is behaving morally just because he has more power than his
victim.
Btw, God the father, Jehovah is the one who condemns to Hell according to the scripture which I cited. Jesus came to save, not to condemn.
Aren't they all the same anyway? You know, the whole "father son and holy ghost" three persons in one godhead weird pagan/monotheist hybrid thing Christians believe in? Is it relevant anyway, since God sent Jesus with a message of forgiveness, but still threatens everyone with eternal torture?
Loving God sent Jesus to pay the sin penalty which is death.
So, for a really, really weird twist, while I hold that gun to your head, I have my son
shoot himself. He gets up 3 hours later, so it really wasn't much of a sacrifice anyway (it just really, really hurt a lot), and I tell you that he has now absolved you of not doing what I told you. All you have to do now is shake his hand, and I won't shoot you.
Somehow...that still doesn't sound like a moral course of action. It sounds like a really, really crazy guy, and he'd only be "right" if power defines morality.
The bottom line is that all are blessed and saved who submit to the authority of God. We who have yielded and submitted to him are blessed. Our nation has been blessed because we have been people of the book beginning with our founders.
Well, see, that is a very large lie. Maybe I'll start a thread on that later on, because it really bugs me.
The examples you used relative to how people treat others has no bearing to this. We are to do to others as we would have them do to us. With God it's different, he being supreme over all.
So again, might makes right, as long as the guy in charge is massively more powerful than anyone else can imagine. Relative to you tied in a chair, I would be "god" by that definition if I were to hold a gun to your head. It still wouldn't be morally correct.
What we may see as an act of cruelty may be for the good of the universe at large, i.e, the big picture. Thus the flood which wiped out most of humanity and thus the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Thus the concentration camps of Nazi Germany, where those with power tried to exterminate the Jews, and the gays, and minorities, and those not Aryan enough (or outspoken against those in power)for the "good of the world." Which is fine, you know, if might makes right.
The bottom line is if you want to enjoy and understand the blessings of God's love you must assume the responsibilities which he requires in the book which he has caused to be written revealing himself to us. If he be supreme god indeed and you rebel, you loose, no matter what you think about how he runs the universe.
Threats of eternal torture are evil. Period.
As per the thread topic, that certain kind of Christian who believes in Hell and talks about it even warning, if done in the spirit of compassion is the kind of person Jesus was.
...and becomes an immoral asshole who thinks might makes right. Like a father who beats his children near to death every day after work because he "loves them." Just like the biblical god is portrayed.
Every time a fundy breaks the laws of thermodynamics, Schroedinger probably kills his cat.
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