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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Infact why do you seems to argue for atheistic type things? Not aware that I do argue for Atheistic type things. You'll have to enlighten me. But would you agree that there are viable moral systems that have been put forward by Confucians? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4752 From: u.k Joined: |
Not aware that I do argue for Atheistic type things. You'll have to enlighten me. It's just that you are a rarity to the forum. A christian who seems to preach secularist things. "None-christian"??? "No design"?? "Hitler was christian"(let's not even go there ) Rather typically, and rather dissapointingly (to you)- I also think that there is only one moral way. All throughout the Old Testament it is shown that "oh if only thou hadst hearkened to my Commandments, then thy peace would have been as a river". Also, in the New Testament, it is told that unGodliness will lead to unGodly activity, and people are given over to their lusts. But if I am rejected/spanked for having this view, then so be it, I try to please God not men.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
MTW
Also, in the New Testament, it is told that unGodliness will lead to unGodly activity, and people are given over to their lusts. What is wrong with lust?
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2302 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
Since when is Non-Christian = secularist?
Asgara "Embrace the pain, spank your inner moppet, whatever....but get over it" http://asgarasworld.bravepages.comhttp://perditionsgate.bravepages.com
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But you still have not responded about Confucius.
It is an entirely different approach to moral systems but would you agree that it has worked well and would be an example of a non-Christian Moral system that has worked well even longer than Christianity? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4752 From: u.k Joined: |
Lust leads to many things that are wrong. Adultery is one example. Rape is another. Being rich and loving money is another.
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 751 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
What is wrong with lust? Lust is self-centeredness. Lust is not the same as desire. Lust is preoccupation with self through desire. A Christian has no room in his thoughts for his selfishenss. He thinks about God most of all and consequently other people. He considers others above him and considers other people's needs before his own. Any preoccupation with self is arrogance and leads a person's thoughts away from God and others thereby preventing him from living the Christian way of life.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1405 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
what about lust for god?
lust for knowledge? lust for a 6 time winner? This message has been edited by RAZD, 07-11-2004 06:41 PM
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
There is nothing unique to the Christian position on Lust. All of the Moral Systems have a similar point of view relating to Lust.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 751 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
Sidelined asked the question; I gave an answer.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4752 From: u.k Joined: |
But unGodliness leads to it. Without God it will happen. Therefore, the unique aspect, is bringing it to God.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
But control of Lust is also common under even Atheistic moral systems.
You say unGodliness leads to it but Lust seems to be a pretty common characteristic. The Buddha, Mencius and Confucius as well as the Tao all address Lust. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4752 From: u.k Joined: |
What I should have said, is what I first said; That unGodliness leads to being "given over" to lusts. You see, the world system is without God, and encourages fornications etc..
So there might be other moral systems, but obviously these systems aren't going to be as good as God's. You are right about lust being common, but being "given over" to them is obviously the key here. As soon as we think we can go it alone we then start to be Godless, and think of ourselves as confident gods. These things are prophecisies in the NT. Do you think we can go it alone without God? You seem to encourage it. This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 07-11-2004 08:15 PM
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Still getting off topic.
Can we get back towards it. Do you have any indications that the other moral systems do not work as well as the Judaic? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
Hangdawg13
Lust is self-centeredness. Lust is not the same as desire You and I have a different concept of lust.What you term lust I would call obsession.Lust has always been an interplay between myself and that which I lusted after.It has always been important to me that my lust for women was something mutual so as far as that goes lust is good in my books because it required that my partner have pleasure in order for me to. Preoccupation with self is again something that is necessary in reaching a full life.There are unavoidable occasions where life neccesitates selfishness because there is only so much time you can devote to any one thing without it being a detriment to other areas of your life. I too think of people and I often help those in need.Yet there are times where I will say that a given time is mine to use for my purpose to allow me to advance my career, to save for a down payment on a home by working extra hours and denying my family the time instead.Selfishness is like other aspects of a persons character in that it must be balanced and not eliminated. It would seem that not all people are burdened by the presence of lust and that we have the lust at all says something about there being a purpose that it serves does it not?
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