the principles of world view

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And if you are really interested, yes the theory of evolution can help sick amoebas get better. They can do this in labs and in the field with real science, just as they help humans will all manner of illnesses.

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Here is how: Read the article in its entirety to see different ways in which the simple principals underlying the ToE are being used in many different disciplines.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

So it does, but doctors, scientists, and engineers not not use the ToE for anything in the real world we live in. Doctors, scientists, and engineers use laws and principles that have been proven to be true, and the knowledge of how life really works to make a better and healthier world for man to live in.Otherwise, why not just let survival of the fitest, mutations, and adaptations to our environment control everything? Why not just continue to evolve without man's participation whatsoever, and see how well evolution does without the creative abilities our Creator has given us?

You write: But to those with a different world view, one capable of overcoming all evidence that does not agree with that world view, genetics means nothing when it contradicts scripture and revelation. Science means nothing when it contradicts scripture and revelation.This is the "world view" problem.When one's world view accepts revelation and scripture as the highest forms of knowledge, as I have seen some declare on other websites, then anything that attempts to contradict that belief--no matter what the evidence--will simply be ignored, or disbelieved!So, when one believes that man originated by "special creation" scientific evidence will mean nothing. Scientists may claim that "genetics just would not work without evolution" but if that claim contradicts a world view based on scripture and revelation it is obviously a false claim. Or, as I was informed on another website a few days ago, "I’m saying that evolution is not science and is of Satan." That is an extreme version of "world view" but there are folks like that out there.To some, scientific evidence means nothing, as they have accepted a world view that won't allow any outside influences (evidence, science, etc.) to penetrate.

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Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

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So it does, but doctors, scientists, and engineers not not use the ToE for anything in the real world we live in.

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Tell me, do I believe your demonstrably uninformed speculation, or those who actually work in the field? See this article.

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For we know that our patchwork heritage is a strength, not a weakness. We are a nation of Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus -- and non-believers. -- Barack ObamaWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

Hogwash!!! Medical schools and biologists don't care what religious beliefs you have, whether you believe in God or not, or even if you believe in the ToE or not. They care if you are smart enough to learn how the human body works, and how to help the human body get well when it gets sick.Many many doctors and biologists believe in their Creator God, have entered into a relationship with our Lord, and then use the creative abilities He gives to serve Him by making a better, healthier world to live in. They know how to use the creative abilities God gives to mankind by studying life as it really is, and then learn how to cure diseases. Many other doctors and biologists also use their creative abilities to study life as it really is, and learn how to cure diseases, but give no credit to God for this wisdom.All of man's wisdom of how the universe came to be and how life therein came to be comes from God, not from man. How man uses the wisdom that comes from God is another matter entirely.I'm reminded of the story of the scientist who challenged God to a man creation contest. God accepted. As the scientist reached down to get some dirt to start creating man, he heard God say, "No no no, you go get your own dirt to start with!."You can leave God out of your theories if you like, ignoring such things as how there is dirt to start with, and how life was breathed into this dirt, but you will wind up with a world view that has no meaning whatsoever.

Let's see if we can talk about the topic in a more general way than evo vs creo. Everybody has a world view, and every world view is different. Your world view is composed of the knowledge you have, based on education (both formal and informal) and experience, plus your beliefs on how this knowledge fits into the "big picture" - in essence what you believe outside what you know.As the signature says, "we are limited in our ability to understand, by our ability to understand" and thus we are only able to add knowledge based on what knowledge we already posses.The critical question everyone should consider is how well does their world view measure up to the "big picture" and how can we test that.Any belief that is contradicted by any evidence of objective reality is one that does not represent the "big picture" and thus the scientific principle of falsifiability applies to beliefs: falsified beliefs should be discarded when they are shown to be false, invalid, contradicted.Does anyone have any other system for measuring whether a belief measures up to the "big picture"??Enjoy.

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Yes, there are still some things concerning what the atom is and how it works that man has yet to discover. But when it comes to understanding how some atoms fission when they capture a neutron, or how some atoms fuse together under great temperatures and pressures, these atomic principles are no longer theories. They are facts that have been proven to a high degre of accuracy.

You are right, medical schools do not care what religious beliefs you have. The TOE has nothing to do with the belief in the supernatural or not. There are many Christian doctors and scientists who accept biological evolution as a reality.However, the theory of evolution is the underpinning of much of modern medicine and science i.e. genetics, immunology, pathology, etc.For example by studying the origin and evolution of human pathogens i.e. bacteria, virus, etc we can create more effective antibiotics and antivirus drugs to counter these deadly pathogens. By studying the evolution of other biological organisms in the ecosystem we can create better conservation and agricultural procedures and techniques to protect our food supply. The list goes on and on.And BTW, yes doctors do learn biological evolution in there studies in premed courses such as Biology, Molecular Biology, Biochemistry, Cellular Biology, Genetics, Virusology, Human Physiology (which covers the evolution of bacteria and other symbiotic organisms which make up over 90% of the cells of our body) as well as medical school courses such as Cellular and Molecular Immunology, Microbiology, Pathology, Pathogenesis, Genetics, Molecular Medicine, Parasitology and many, many other related courses. How do I know? I was once a premed student before I joined the Navy. Biological evolution IS undeniably taught in premed and medical school.Edited by DevilsAdvocate, : No reason given.

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For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
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"Nothing in biology makes sense except in light of evolution" -

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Theodosius Dobzhansky

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Just one example.The word "biology" was actually invented by the man who presented the first really coherent theory of evolution, Jean-Baptiste Lamarck.In the rest of your post, you mentioned the word "God" nine times, although I didn't mention it in the post you were replying to. But I think that this thing called God and the meaning of life are on topic, so, as I'm in an Ignostic mood, I'll leave you to discuss them with others.

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