Why I Am A Zionist

Uh-mm, methinks (and hopes) me is the only person among me but methinks also that me knows what thee means for me to address. Jewish messianic prophecy, for the most part is self interpreting. The apostle, Apollos convinced many Jews via these prophecies that Jesus was indeed the messiah, according to the NT text. See Acts 18:28

Buz:Many Jews have been convinced that one or another man was indeed the Messiah over the past 2,500 years. Those who were convinced were convinced either by the false messiah himself or by a spokesperson for the false messiah. There have been many many disappointed followers of false messiahs.That Apollonius convinced many people that Jesus was Messiah carries no more weight in a debate than to say that Rabbi Schneersohn is the Messiah because so many of the Chabad movement are so convinced. Not to put Jesus or Schneersohn in the same category with other less well intended men, but the same argument could be made by devoted followers of Jim Jones, David Koresh, and Rev. Moon. The debate does not stand or fall on the numbers or degree of devotion of the supplicants, Buz. If that were the case, your friends the Muslems would be far outdistancing you in the holy numbers war.[This message has been edited by Abshalom, 12-29-2003]

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You and yours are just all bent outa shape that Ariel Sharon has done and continues to do what needs to be done to fulfill Biblical prophecy. The Bible stands true and if the world refuses to recognize that, the world will never understand what is going on in the Middle East.

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Oh, I wish I had seen this thread earlier.If the Bible is prophecy, that is it will happen without question, why does it require anyone to do anything intentionally? Furthermore, why does it require that people do horrendous acts against others in order to get it done.Couldn't the Jews simply have saved up enough money to buy the land they wanted, and then received acceptance to form a new country? It may have taken more time, but what's the difference if it means greater peace and not having to repress or defraud anyone?I mean there is no worry that if they did it that way it wasn't going to come true, right?Frankly I would laugh and laugh and instantly convert if God came down and said "You greedy jerks, don't you trust me enough to love your neighbor and not kill and not covet land, and I'd give it to you in good time? Just for your arrogance and lack of faith... not to mention breaking commandments... you lose everything!"But back to the point, why in specific are you able to absolve a man of horrific crimes against other humans just because he appears to be helping fulfill prophecy? So i could become a massmurderer, and as long as I quote the Bible and clear land everything is kosher? Sounds like you just cut agents of the devil some huge amount of slack.And finally, if the likes of Ariel Sharon and the actions he commits are fine to you because he is trying to fulfill prophecy, and prophecy is that all nonXians will be killed or cast into some sort of limbo so that Xians can rule the world, why is it again I am supposed to hate muslims more than Xians?You guys are two sides of the same old, dirty coin as far as I can tell.And saying you don't hate anyone, but certain people just got to die because God says so, is not being honest. Whether your hate derives from your God (who admits he is hateful and jealous) or from yourself, it makes little difference, and grants you no benefits. If you are for someone else's death because of who they are, you are hateful.

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holmes

Well said Holmes.Brian.

But theres a major difference in these and Jesus. Apollos was able by scripture to convince the Jews that Jesus was indeed the messiah. The others could not by scriptural prophecy argue for their man.[This message has been edited by buzsaw, 01-03-2004]