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zipzip
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Message 46 of 92 (27070)
12-17-2002 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 42 by David unfamous
12-17-2002 10:53 AM


Well, I have personal experience with him. I believe I have evidence in my life of a person who has come along side me and helped me, transformed me. Someone I communicate with and have a relationship with. What I accept is that I can't prove this to you scientifically. All I have is the Bible and my own word to back me up.

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Delshad
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Message 47 of 92 (27076)
12-17-2002 6:02 PM


The duty of a theist is to nurture the seed of truth and love in the society he lives in.
To share with him the divine truth to the ones whom lack in faith, and enrich their spirit, so that they shall taste the sweetness of life, and clear the clouds above their heads, so that the light will open their hearts.
Thus they shall once again see, and live , together, not apart.
Sincerely, Delshad

  
John
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Message 48 of 92 (27084)
12-17-2002 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by nator
12-17-2002 10:07 AM


quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:
quote:
the higher the iq, the more likely one is to appreciate his own wisdom... that's all it means
I disagree. I have met far more arrogant idiots than I have arrogant intelligent people.

I have to agree.
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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 49 of 92 (27085)
12-17-2002 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by John
12-17-2002 6:57 PM


quote:
Originally posted by John:
quote:
Originally posted by schrafinator:
quote:
the higher the iq, the more likely one is to appreciate his own wisdom... that's all it means
I disagree. I have met far more arrogant idiots than I have arrogant intelligent people.

I have to agree.

I'd have to disagree, I'd say it's just about even both ways. I think most of us are too arrogant to see our own arrogance. Intelligence aside.
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John
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Message 50 of 92 (27086)
12-17-2002 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by funkmasterfreaky
12-17-2002 7:00 PM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
I'd have to disagree, I'd say it's just about even both ways. I think most of us are too arrogant to see our own arrogance. Intelligence aside.
No way man. I quite see my arrogance.
Maybe it works like insanity? If you think you are insane, you're not?
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[This message has been edited by John, 12-17-2002]

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forgiven
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Message 51 of 92 (27112)
12-17-2002 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by John
12-17-2002 9:38 AM


quote:
Originally posted by John:
So, basically, what zipzip said is accurate? That makes a lot more sense. You aren't talking about IQ, but pride. Pride tends to increase with IQ, but it isn't a direct correlation.
yep, zip said it better than i... i was a tad cryptic

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Mammuthus
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Message 52 of 92 (27139)
12-18-2002 3:33 AM
Reply to: Message 45 by zipzip
12-17-2002 5:17 PM


quote:
Originally posted by zipzip:
Fools come in all shapes, sizes, and IQs. Anybody who 1) thinks they know everything 2) refuses to listen to others and discuss things and 3) thinks much more of ones own capabilities and importance than they ought is a fool. That makes everybody a little foolish. But what I think is that big fools come along just as frequently among geniuses as among idiots.
Arrogance is another matter for another day.

This is perhaps a testable hypothesis and there may actually be data on these characterstics. Though I doubt there would be a behavioral study comparing self impressions between geniuses and idiots, I could imagine a study of say high IQ versus average IQ people for a host of different social characteristics...anybody know if this has been done academically?

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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 53 of 92 (27140)
12-18-2002 3:36 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Mammuthus
12-18-2002 3:33 AM


not that I've been able to find so far. I've kinda been looking. Unfortunately I've involved myself in so many discussions I can't put the proper amount of research into any one area.
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David unfamous
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Message 54 of 92 (27152)
12-18-2002 5:29 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by funkmasterfreaky
12-17-2002 1:06 PM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
If the bible had been written in great scientific detail then the majority of people would not understand it's wisdom. So it was written in such a way that those who were not as "wise" could understand it and that those who are "wiser" could see why it was written in such a way.

So why the need for so much discussion as to the meaning of many passages? I often see Biblical quotes within this forum followed by, "What this means is that..."
I would say the Bible has been written in such a way that the individual invariably reads his/her own interpretation between the lines. Surely this causes more confusion to the un-wise?

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funkmasterfreaky
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Message 55 of 92 (27153)
12-18-2002 5:38 AM
Reply to: Message 54 by David unfamous
12-18-2002 5:29 AM


Nope,
It confuses those who would rely on their own human wisdom, believing that is in fact wisdom, instead of studying the word and praying. God provides the understanding as it is needed. Through prayer. See I have a completely different view of what wisdom is. My view is in the book of James. It's a very short book close to the end of the New Testament if you want to check it out.
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zipzip
Inactive Member


Message 56 of 92 (27158)
12-18-2002 6:11 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by funkmasterfreaky
12-18-2002 5:38 AM


That's the key, funkmaster. Thanks for the realignment.

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forgiven
Inactive Member


Message 57 of 92 (27162)
12-18-2002 6:30 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Mammuthus
12-18-2002 3:33 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Mammuthus:
quote:
Originally posted by zipzip:
Fools come in all shapes, sizes, and IQs. Anybody who 1) thinks they know everything 2) refuses to listen to others and discuss things and 3) thinks much more of ones own capabilities and importance than they ought is a fool. That makes everybody a little foolish. But what I think is that big fools come along just as frequently among geniuses as among idiots.
Arrogance is another matter for another day.

This is perhaps a testable hypothesis and there may actually be data on these characterstics. Though I doubt there would be a behavioral study comparing self impressions between geniuses and idiots, I could imagine a study of say high IQ versus average IQ people for a host of different social characteristics...anybody know if this has been done academically?

yes, i think someone posted such a study here not long ago

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Primordial Egg
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Message 58 of 92 (27164)
12-18-2002 6:52 AM
Reply to: Message 52 by Mammuthus
12-18-2002 3:33 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Mammuthus:
This is perhaps a testable hypothesis and there may actually be data on these characterstics. Though I doubt there would be a behavioral study comparing self impressions between geniuses and idiots, I could imagine a study of say high IQ versus average IQ people for a host of different social characteristics...anybody know if this has been done academically?
This site summarises several studies done on the correlation between education and religiousity. I haven't checked the refs but its quite an interesting read nonetheless.
It concludes:
The consensus here is clear: more intelligent people tend not to believe in religion. And this observation is given added force when you consider that the above studies span a broad range of time, subjects and methodologies, and yet arrive at the same conclusion.
Granted that education does not necessarily mean high IQ, but I'm willing to bet money / limbs there's a correlation.
PE
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Skeptical scrutiny is the means, in both science and religion, by which deep thoughts can be winnowed from deep nonsense - Carl Sagan

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forgiven
Inactive Member


Message 59 of 92 (27165)
12-18-2002 7:10 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Primordial Egg
12-18-2002 6:52 AM


quote:
Originally posted by Primordial Egg:
Granted that education does not necessarily mean high IQ, but I'm willing to bet money / limbs there's a correlation.
PE
i agree...

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David unfamous
Inactive Member


Message 60 of 92 (27167)
12-18-2002 7:17 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by funkmasterfreaky
12-18-2002 5:38 AM


quote:
Originally posted by funkmasterfreaky:
Nope,
It confuses those who would rely on their own human wisdom, believing that is in fact wisdom, instead of studying the word and praying.

Blind faith in other words, regardless of reason or knowledge.
quote:
God provides the understanding as it is needed. Through prayer.
If you don't understand, it's Gods will. If you do think you understand, it must be God giving you the answer. Right?
Maybe you're listening to your own wisdom, not God. How do you differentiate? Does any part of you function independently of God? I always get the feeling you daren't show any individuality for fear of enternal hell.

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