Answers to athiest's dum disputes

If you mean to say that the way you believe is more simple than the way I believe,then I must agree.

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Desdamona*

First of all that must have slipped right by me.
Can you give scripture to both accounts from the bible that you say
contradict one another?
That would be better than me trying to look up every book of John,and trying to find what I didn't know was ever there.
John is the only book someone included as saying that Jesus died
well after the pass over. You do know that Jews celebrate the passover,right?

what I mean is that they use science to help them.

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Can you give scripture to both accounts from the bible that you say contradict one another?

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Didn't Schraf already do that?Regardless: If you'd like more, feel free to visit this website.

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You do know that Jews celebrate the passover,right?

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Yeah, Mom's maiden name was Kleinberg. I had to sit through a bunch of seders as a kid. So what?

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"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

Good to see you back, Dan!

Word.

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"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

Shalom! My grandma's maiden name was Tobias,and one of my gr.gr.gr.
Grandma's had the last name of Sternaman,and we have the name Haas and others.
I thought then,that you would know that the passover is observed for 8 days.That is how it's done traditionally. It is no surprise that Jesus shared the passover with his disciples before he was killed on the cross around the time of unleavened bread.
Any one who wished to learn about the passover are very welcome to look it up for themselves.
By the way,you didn't have to be so rude.

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I thought then,that you would know that the passover is observed for 8 days.That is how it's done traditionally. It is no surprise that Jesus shared the passover with his disciples before he was killed on the cross around the time of unleavened bread.

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I understand that passover takes place over the course of eight days. (Although it should be noted that the seder, the actual Passover supper, does not.) But one passage clearly states that he was taken away to be crucified at the sixth hour, and the other states that he was crucified three hours before that.More to the point, the passage from John clearly identifies Jesus as being taken away for crucifixion before passover. (ie, during the preperations.) So how could he have shared this last supper, a passover seder, with his disciples, when he was being carted off for crucifixion?

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By the way,you didn't have to be so rude.

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I wasn't aware that I was. I'm sorry that you interpreted it that way. But trust me, when I'm being rude, there are long strings of profanity involved.But I'm still curious as to what your point was in bringing up that Jews celebrate passover.

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"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

yes,the first two days are celebrated with lavish meals.
To me there is no problem with those verses in scripture.
I brought up the point that jew's celebrate the passover in case
there were those who didn't understand this.Not everyone celebrates or keeps the Sabbath day.I was just trying to help.
How long do you think it was between the time they brought Jesus in to the rulers,and the actual crucifixion? He died several hours after he was crucified.
O.k.,well if you were not rude,then it was a misunderstanding on my part.I apologize.

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He died several hours after he was crucified.

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Yes. That would have to be the case. But neither passage pertains to his death, so I fail to see the relevance.Again, very simply: how could he be crucified several hours before he was brought in? And again, how could he be crucified both before and after the seder? The only way I can see is if it takes place between two seders, but the passage from John eliminates that possibility. It specifically identifies the whole affair as happening before passover.

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"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

No,the passover lasts 8 days,and there is no mention of just one seder.
Yes,perhaps Jesus's death or when he died is not the issue,but I don't see what you say that you see.
To me there is no contradiction.Jesus privately had "a passover meal"with his disciples.
Also,there are many archeaological findings that support the holy Bible.
The have found many peices of evidence that supports the facts of the people who lived in the Bible.The Bible is not a book of
fairy tales.
There is evidence of King David and King Solomon's existence,and also
Joseph the son of Jacob.
Harod,and Pilot,and many others,and old ruins,and many other great things.Each finding alone may not prove alot,but when placed together,it should make people aware that the bible was right and is right about many things.
Did you also know that not everyone will understand the bible?
All the so called contradictions from the web site you listed are not true contradictions.People should search for themselves,and see the whole bible as a whole,and not break it down into just parts they want to use to form a contradiction,and it's not very good to take a scripture out of context.
You and I clearly do not see the same message,we both get something different from it.
The bible won't ever be completely destroyed,and people have tried to destroy it in it's infancy when the words were carefully written down by scribes.People tried to add to it,and take away from it,but God has kept it here,and it will stay.
Yes,many sects,occults and false religions still try to add books,or take away from the bible,and even make their own versions of the bible.
The Bible is made the way it is on purpose,and not everyone will
get to understand it.
I sure couldn't,not until I truly desired to have God in my life.
Well,I'm not trying to preach,I just don't see any contradiction,seder or no seder.There was a seder I'm sure,but that
really doesn't seem to matter.
The Bible to me makes perfect sense.

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To me there is no contradiction.Jesus privately had "a passover meal"with his disciples.

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I'm afraid I have to assume that you're intentionally not listening.If this passover meal occurred, then John is incorrect. It is not logically possible that both are true.

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Also,there are many archeaological findings that support the holy Bible. The have found many peices of evidence that supports the facts of the people who lived in the Bible.

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1) What is this evidence?2) There is evidence that the American Civil War happened. It does not logically follow that Gone With the Wind is a factual accounting of real events.

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All the so called contradictions from the web site you listed are not true contradictions.

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All 330 of them? Is there anything more to support this idea, other than a sweeping statement that they "are not true contradictions"?

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People should search for themselves,and see the whole bible as a whole,and not break it down into just parts they want to use to form a contradiction,and it's not very good to take a scripture out of context.

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And again... what possible context is there under which... oh, let's pick one off the list at random...Ah. Under what possible context can it be true that the tomb was both open and closed when the women arrived at the sepulchre? (Lk 24:2 and Mt 28:2)

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"Perhaps you should take your furs and your literal interpretations to the other side of the river."
-Anya

It seems to me that your understanding of the passover and mine
are two different events.
If you feel that the bible is full of contradictions,who can
change your mind,some one who tries to explain everything to you
down to the last detail?
I still don't see any contradictions,and it's not that I'm not
listening,it's just not there to me.
what you believe it's what you believe,I cannot change that.
How do the verses contradict one another in the accounts of the women
when both times the stone was rolled away?

If I could add a few words to this debate concerning the contradictions.....With regards to the book of John contradicting the Synoptics about the timing of the meal and the crucifixion, my understanding (and I'm not a Jew, so I'm not totally familiar with the customs) is that the meal referred to in the Synoptics occurred on the Friday night before the sabbath, at the beginning (or before?) the actual Passover week celebration. John, in referring to when Jesus was taken away, said he was taken away before the passover celebration, not before that Friday night meal.Regarding the time (3rd hour vs. 6th hour), the Synoptics are using Hebrew time (with the day starting at 6am), so when they say he was crucified at the 3rd hour, this means 9am. John uses Roman time with a day starting at midnight, so Jesus was taken away to be crucified at the sixth hour, meaning 6am. No contradiction there, just a difference in timing standards. For this one, Luke does indeed state that the ladies found the stone rolled away. And Matthew does state that the angel of the Lord, via an earthquake, rolled the stone away. However, if you read the Matthew account, it does not say that the ladies were at the tomb when the stone was rolled away. It only says that they were coming to see the tomb. So they easily could have been on the way when the earthquake occurred. Again, no contradiction. Yes, all 330 of them. Most if not all of these have already been disproven by people smarter than I, but skeptics like yourself never accept any of the explanations. We can go through more of them, but at some point you should ask yourself how may we would need to explain before you would believe.

Well, certainly that's not the purpose of evolution.I'm an atheist, but I don't feel the need to make everybody feel the way I do. And it's not because of evolution that I'm an atheist. Evolution is a scientific theory, and therefore, totally consistent with a belief in God.Now, what about the theory of evolution do you find uncompelling? There's significant evidence that it's an accurate description of the history of life on Earth.