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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
But that is not the case of the world around us. Humans did not make the dinosaurs, nor have we yet made a galaxy, a star, a black hole or even a new force. We don't make gravity or even fully understand it.
I agree with you jar, but we don't fully understand all that, so how are we supposed to fully understand God. Or what he wants from us.right now, we just have a rough interpretation of what everything is, and where it came from, and what was here before. we are still missing things to complete the big picture. Also what does this teach us about our own feelings, and how we should treat each other? Or how does this get us into heaven? How do we get all those rules from looking at the stars and such? However, I feel the bible paints a pretty complete picture, when combined with the Holy Spirit.
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Also what does this teach us about our own feelings, and how we should treat each other? Or how does this get us into heaven? How do we get all those rules from looking at the stars and such? Well, as we learn more and gather more data, and use our minds, we are learning more and more about feelings. But we can never learn anything about the world around us from the Bible. The Bible, and all religions, all moral systems, deal not with the how, but with WHY. And that is what you can gain from the Bible.
and how we should treat each other? That's very easy. Jesus said "Love GOD, love others as you love yourself". That's really all there is to it.
Or how does this get us into heaven? You just don't even think about it. Follow the two commandments and you'll have a good life here and if there is an afterlife, a great one then. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
riVeRrat
Question, just because something seems "magical" does that mean we should dis-regard it if there is no logical explanation at the current moment? No not disregard,investigate.As for my atheism I have never been able to reconcile the notion of a god in my head with a universe such as this one. I have heard endless arguements each of which I found lacking and usually defensive in nature.There is also the matter of postulating a more complex entity to explain an already complex world.In doing so I find it is necessary to expand the realm of speculation entailed by a god to the point of ad absurdum while gaining no further clarity on this world. This is not to say I am right or wrong. I have said before that I am not seeking truth but rather clarity{as well as a good belly laugh}Of this though I am quite sure, A god put together by the writings of men under duress of politics is a poor god indeed and never one I would show allegience to even if I believed in god. You know what I would consider to be hell? The promise of eternal life. Sounds good on the surface but endless existence think on it.Say you start with beating methusela and hit a thousand.Now think that much a thousand times over brings us to 1,000,000.Step up to the next level to 1,000,000 of those and we arrive already at 1 trillion years.Multiply again and you are into scientific notation at 1 times 10 to the 18 power.Repeat that as many times as you wish and you will not even show up on the scale of forever. Let me ask you how long you would like to live in even heaven? This message has been edited by sidelined, 09-14-2004 11:25 PM What delightful hosts they are-Love and Laughter! Lingeringly I turn away at this late hour,yet glad They have not withheld from me their high hospitality. So at the door I pause to press their hands once more And say,"So fine a time!Thank you both...and goodbye.
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
sidelined writes: OK. So you are basically saying that forever is too darn long? What of the man born in a family of modest means who never traveled anywhere beyond the family farm. He knew 30 people his whole life until he got drafted. He went to War and died. This poor soul! Did he cease to exist? What would any of us give to have lived just a bit longer? To have seen the advances of the world. To have loved and raised a family? To have accomplished something unique! Even to be able to post in THIS chatroom!! What is the point of his life??? Are you the one who said to me long ago in another post that the point of life is the dance and that we are the dancers? That immortality is passed through our children? Living forever in Heaven will not be unbearable. I will agree with you on one point. We need to live for today and not for a future event.
You know what I would consider to be hell? The promise of eternal life. Sounds good on the surface but endless existence think on it.Say you start with beating methusela and hit a thousand.Now think that much a thousand times over brings us to 1,000,000.Step up to the next level to 1,000,000 of those and we arrive already at 1 trillion years.Multiply again and you are into scientific notation at 1 times 10 to the 18 power.Repeat that as many times as you wish and you will not even show up on the scale of forever.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
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Are you the one who said to me long ago in another post that the point of life is the dance and that we are the dancers? That immortality is passed through our children? Living forever in Heaven will not be unbearable Yes I said dance your dance then pass the music to the next generation of dancers.Life,not immortality,is passed to our children and we live on in them.Heaven would be unbearable because if the common notion of heaven where diseae and injury and death are no more and that we live in bodies of perfect health how many times can you do even your favorite things over that after a trillion years would be maddening.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
I guess my point is correct thinking could possibly lead to incorrect answers.
I was 5, I wondered about it, until I finally learned how it worked. So if there is no way to think wrong (tell me you never meet someone who thought wrong) why do we need to learn how to think?
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You know what I would consider to be hell? The promise of eternal life.
You too are thinking linerally. Life after death, would most probably not have time, so we have no idea of how it would actually be. If it was a life similar to this, yes it would get borimng, but I do not suspect this. Question, do you believe in infinity?
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jar Member (Idle past 394 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So if there is no way to think wrong (tell me you never meet someone who thought wrong) why do we need to learn how to think? Of course there are no ways to think wrong, but there are ways to think better. There are steps you can learn that will help you get better results. Thinking is a skill. It is something that you need to learn. One example is discrimination. That is an important task and one that is seldom taught. And as data becomes increasingly available, discrimination will become increasingly important. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Phat Member Posts: 18262 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Question, do you believe in infinity?
I believe in an infinite God. I cannot fully understand Him for He is beyond my comprehension, as infinity is.
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Rei Member (Idle past 7013 days) Posts: 1546 From: Iowa City, IA Joined: |
I would gladly take immortal life, under one condition: that my mind remain limited, just as human minds are limited today. There is only so much that your mind can store; it isn't some infinite sink of data. Over time, data gets faded or completely lost. Consequently, life will be ever-changing, and you will never reach a tedious steady-state.
"Illuminant light, illuminate me."
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4752 From: u.k Joined: |
Thereafter followed the most astounding three pages of the usual testamonial dialogue that either completely failed to address the questions or completely confirmed your unstated premise. Well, why am I obliged to "test" my God anyway? Because you say so? If I choose to have faith and not doubt, then Gilgamesh is dissapointed in me.(I can bare this ) However, if I choose to have faith? "Have faith in God", I please God. Nevertheless, I have heard all about post-hoc reasoning and confirmation bias, it is not compatible with biblical scripture....If anything, it preacheth "doubt". Now basically, you're cooking and icing and buffing up "doubt" - cook it, ice it, dice it and slice it; tart it all day, but you ain't gonna get a sail here. He that has truth and faith, is not going to want of the dung any longer. If I have good steak and cakes, will I return to sucking upon the dung heaps? I urge that you de-sensitize yourself to doubt, fellow servant.
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sidelined Member (Idle past 5908 days) Posts: 3435 From: Edmonton Alberta Canada Joined: |
riVeRrat
Life after death, would most probably not have time Which means nothing would get done.This sounds like heaven for politicians. My objection lies with the absence of death which to an adrenalne junkie like myself is tantamount to hell. There is no thrill in attempting things of a daring nature if the chance of dying from the attempt is not present. I do not believe in infinity.I understand the concept of infinity,as in mathematical infinities which exist independent of belief.Just what do you mean by infinity? This message has been edited by sidelined, 09-15-2004 06:41 PM
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
And all these years I was taught not to discriminate.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Then you have nothing to worry about, with infinity, you will never get bored.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Infinity, as in there is no end to anything. The universe could go on and on, or there could be other universe, other demensions.
Or do you believe that we are bound by the space we reside in, or our current known universe.
My objection lies with the absence of death which to an adrenalne junkie like myself is tantamount to hell. There is no thrill in attempting things of a daring nature if the chance of dying from the attempt is not present.
I found this statement so intriquing. At first I didn't know how to answer it, but then I prayed, and the first thing that came to my mind was this explainantion: The feeling you are trying to achieve by doing these daring stunts or things (I know about it, I seek those same feelings, but not as much as you maybe) would not be sought after in heaven. Heaven would fill you with another feeling that would more than take its place and your search for a thrill would not exist for you anymore. It would be a whole new type of enviroment, that would have its own thrills. I felt as though God was telling me: why are you even asking me that question? Maybe that feeling you get is only a fraction of what you will recieve in heaven? Sorry, I know there is no proof of this, and its not much to go on, but it is what came to my mind, and I thought I would share it with you. Take it for whats it is worth please.
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