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Topic: Human Programming
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Rob 
Suspended Member (Idle past 5870 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: 06-01-2006
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Message 211 of 223 (376060)
01-10-2007 10:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 210 by ringo
01-10-2007 10:45 PM
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And I didn't say that, did I? I said I agreed with your source. Perhaps you did not intend to, but you did. You greatly misunderstood my source.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 212 of 223 (376061)
01-10-2007 10:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 211 by Rob
01-10-2007 10:49 PM
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scottness writes: You greatly misunderstood my source. Empty assertion. Enlighten all of us, with careful attention to the topic.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 213 of 223 (376063)
01-10-2007 10:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 212 by ringo
01-10-2007 10:50 PM
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How to program
Empty the self completely; Embrace perfect peace. The world will rise and move; Watch it return to rest. All the flourishing things Will return to their source. This return is peaceful; It is the flow of nature, An eternal decay and renewal. Accepting this brings enlightenment, Ignoring this brings misery. Who accepts nature's flow becomes all-cherishing; Being all-cherishing he becomes impartial; Being impartial he becomes magnanimous; Being magnanimous he becomes natural; Being natural he becomes one with the Way; Being one with the Way he becomes immortal: Though his body will decay, the Way will not. To gain knowledge it is first necessary to throw away what you know. Human Programming begins with emptying the source. Edited by jar, : No reason given.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Rob
Suspended Member (Idle past 5870 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: 06-01-2006
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Message 214 of 223 (376064)
01-10-2007 10:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 213 by jar
01-10-2007 10:52 PM
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Re: How to program
To gain knowledge it is first necessary to throw away what you know. I don't know about the pantheist twist, but I liked the last line.  Matthew 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. Sounds like Jesus is claiming to be knowledge incarnate!
Mark 8:33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. "Get behind me, Satan!" he said. "You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."
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Rob
Suspended Member (Idle past 5870 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: 06-01-2006
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Message 215 of 223 (376067)
01-10-2007 10:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 212 by ringo
01-10-2007 10:50 PM
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Empty assertion. The above that is. That it most certainly is. Do you hear yourself?
Mark 8:33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. "Get behind me, Satan!" he said. "You do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 216 of 223 (376068)
01-10-2007 10:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 214 by Rob
01-10-2007 10:56 PM
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Re: How to program
Matthew 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. Sounds like Jesus is claiming to be knowledge incarnate! Please show us where knowledge is mentioned in Matthew 10:39?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 217 of 223 (376070)
01-10-2007 11:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 213 by jar
01-10-2007 10:52 PM
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Re: How to program
I haven't read the Tao Te Ching in years. I'll have to see if I have it filed under "T" for Tao or "L" for Lao.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 218 of 223 (376072)
01-10-2007 11:05 PM
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Reply to: Message 215 by Rob
01-10-2007 10:58 PM
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scottness writes: Do you hear yourself? What I don't hear is you giving us anything but a bare link. Another exerpt:
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The second test is empirical adequacy: Is there evidence that supports what is being asserted?
Zacharias acknowledges the need for empirical evidence.
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Rob
Suspended Member (Idle past 5870 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: 06-01-2006
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Message 219 of 223 (376075)
01-10-2007 11:08 PM
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Reply to: Message 216 by jar
01-10-2007 10:59 PM
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How to deprogram
You asked: Please show us where knowledge is mentioned in Matthew 10:39? ok... You said: To gain knowledge it is first necessary to throw away what you know. Jesus is saying the same thing and with an added austere twist. Matthew 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. Anyone can see that, and only a fool would deny it. I mean, maybe Jesus was crazy! But his words couldn't have been clearer. I would expect a Christian to know that. Edited by scottness, : No reason given.
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Rob
Suspended Member (Idle past 5870 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: 06-01-2006
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Message 220 of 223 (376078)
01-10-2007 11:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 218 by ringo
01-10-2007 11:05 PM
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Zacharias acknowledges the need for empirical evidence. Absolutely! Do you know what his favorite example is, besides the wonder and mystery of the universe and all the ensuing obvious mysteries that science can only spit at?... ...When Thomas reached out and touched Jesus after the ressurection and then said, 'My Lord and my God!' There was an emperical dimension to it, that ceased all doubt! Empericism by it's self is not that important according to Jesus. Luke 16:31 "He said to him, 'If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.'"
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 221 of 223 (376080)
01-10-2007 11:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 219 by Rob
01-10-2007 11:08 PM
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Re: How to deprogram
Jesus is saying the same thing and with an added austere twist. Matthew 10:39 Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. Anyone can see that, and only a fool would deny it. I mean, maybe Jesus was crazy! But his words couldn't have been clearer. I would expect a Christian to know that. You know I read it again, word by word and still can't find the word knowledge in there.
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Rob
Suspended Member (Idle past 5870 days) Posts: 2297 Joined: 06-01-2006
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Message 222 of 223 (376084)
01-10-2007 11:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 221 by jar
01-10-2007 11:19 PM
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Re: How to deprogram
I hope that everyone gets a look at this little exchange. I have some serious replies from Arachnophilia to read. I'll be sure and send him this way... 
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Kader
Member (Idle past 3748 days) Posts: 156 Joined: 12-20-2006
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Message 223 of 223 (376206)
01-11-2007 12:25 PM
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I still dont see how we can hold something as true if it goes outside the realm of logic. Did I miss an explanation somewhere ? Can something held as true be Illogical ? Am I mistaking when I say that logic dictate what can be true ? So many questions
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