Does God Really Exist???

no, I'm interpreting the bible the way it is supposed to be and I can't do anymore for you. It is pretty simple but as Ive said before my beleif also stems from my faith in God so I don't feel the need to try to change the meaning of the bible to make myself feel better.If you really want to find out more on this subject, talk to a pastor because they know so much more than me, that's if you really want to find out the truth

ShyAngel,
There are a few things you need to realize, first of all people like Crashfrog and others have probably never really read the Bible, most of their info is a sort of cut/paste system from easy access websites. So most of their arguments I believe aren’t their own.Second, what THEY are referring to with the law and killing children and witches makes them look so ridiculous and shows how little they understand and know Christianity.a) The killing children and witches were for the old covenant Jews to follow, not the New Covenant Christians. If they had actually read the Bible they wouldn’t even make the connection.b) Those guys don’t even understand the purpose of the Law or why it was given. The law was given ULTIMATELY to show how incapable man is of keeping it to attain Salvation. That is why Christ came so that all men (not just Jews) could have Salvation; it could not be attained through the Law. See Gal 2, Eph 2 and Rom 1-4. It is made CLEAR that the Law is of no use any longer. But of course those people on this forum, having no concept of biblical doctrine, would not know that; so they resort to making themselves look preposterous by asking absurd questions like, One can only laugh at their ignorance.c) If I were you I wouldn’t waste my time arguing with them; it’s like arguing with a child about the laws of physics. Children can only repeat what they hear others saying, but until they actually study it for themselves and understand what it means, they are content to leave the blinders on their eyes. They aren’t interested in learning and understanding. They are closed minded and illogical. Remember Matthew 7:6 Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine. HmmSwine..It wasn’t ME that called them that.Gal 2:16 ~ Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.Col 2:8 ~ Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.Best Regards,

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"The Fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'"Creation Man

Creation man many of the people on this forum have read and studied the bible and are or were Christians. I have found that it is the literalist, fundalmentalist, YEC's that tend to have closed minds and are illogical. What is logical about creation mythology explaining the universe? What makes your version of how the Earth was created any more creditable than the American Indians version? Or the Hindu version? or the Norse version? Is it not Christians who claim to have the only right answers? Is it not Christians who condemn anyone who does not believe they're story of Jesus, will burn in hell for all eternity? Who is illogical and closed minded? *edit to correct creditable[This message has been edited by 1.61803, 04-02-2004]

To be honest,it is mORE logical to me than that Betrand Russel writing on logic itself rejected a claimed proof of Cantor. I dont know if he rejected it AFTER he saw Cantor's maginal penmanship or before but the Bible makes more sense to me than what I understand of BR's rejection of a limit proof.

Nope. I'm just going to bible.com and searching for keywords. I try to read the relevant context but, you know, I'm only human. I can only read the words that are there and come to the best interpretation I can, just like you folks.The difference is, I don't interpret the exact opposite of what the words say and then claim to be a literalist. Because I don't believe God wrote the Bible, I have the luxury of ignoring it when it tells me that my wife is unclean two weeks out of the month and that I dare not touch her during that time. And if you had read the words of Jesus, who said that not a word of the law would change until he had accomplished all he had intended, you wouldn't even offer this as an argument.But of course, you'd find it far too inconvinient to be expected to murder any Wiccans you came into contact with, so naturally you make up what you want to make up. And that's fine. I just don't understand how you claim to be a literalist when you do that. Ha! That's the best yet! God wastes three books of the Bible by filling them with laws that you were never supposed to follow anyway! Hilarious!Hell, I wonder if you could apply that to other areas? "Sorry, your honor. I broke corporate accounting law and cost the working man billions of lost retirement pensions, but it was my belief that those laws weren't meant to be followed - rather, they were given by the SEC to show how no CEO is capable of keeping it to attain Solvence." Oh, I love when you guys do that. Here, allow me to counter with the Holy Words of Clive Cussler: "You're an asshole." Hey, it wasn't me that called you that...

Crash,Don't ever change, okay?regards,
Esteban Hambre

Thanks, man. From someone I often consider my sarcasm sensei that's quite a compliment.

Actually it is those words which are the bases for the argument. He said that it wouldn't pass away until all had been accomplished. And those were the exct words of Christ on the Cross, "It is Accomplished." .I laughed myself silly with this one. You and Dan Carrol are up for an award in wit. Nicely done.

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"The Fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'"Creation Man

If it's "mission accomplished", as you say, then why is he coming back? Sounds like there's a thing or two on the to-do list yet.

Could you tell me what Bible you are using (and chapter and verse for that matter)?I can't find this quote.

I went to Catholic school, so I remember it from stations of the Cross ("It is done", actually). Offhand I don't have a bible verse either.

NosyNedNo need for them to point out the chapter and verse. It is obvious that they are so far in advance of us as evidenced by these statements. It is so good to know that there are people in this world who can take the time to straighten out our misconception of how the bible actually can say one thing and mean another.I am glad that we provide at least amusement for those who are our superiors.

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'Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts.'
(Daniel Patrick Moynihan)

It's just that I've had more than one occasion where someone quotes the Bible to prove a point and then I find that they made the quote up. It seems that carelessness with quotes starts to infect everything.This one might be minor.

Ned Sure, The greek word "finished" could be translated "accomplished" or "done"
but the meaning is the same.

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"The Fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'"Creation Man

Again this question stems from an ignorance of scripture. Christ's work of fulfilling the law and the prophecies, and His work of justification are finished. This doesn't mean now he can go home and never have to bother with the world or mankind again. It simply means His mission ON EARTH is finished. His return is something ompletely different.Good systematic theology + old testament and new testament survey courses would be recomended.[This message has been edited by CreationMan, 04-03-2004]

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"The Fool has said in his heart, 'There is no God'"Creation Man