Does God Really Exist???

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you really don't get it do you? there isn't anything wrong with my life, infact as life goes, I'd say I have it pretty good but what is the point to living and everything we do on earth if all we do after is die?
What good would life be if after everything we go through and acheive all we get in the end is nothing but a coffin in the ground?

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This is the point of life: to live it. I can't see why you think the myriad of experiences, all the joy and exitement, the loves and losses, are somehow not worth anything in themselves.

shyangelWhy must you have a reward for being alive? What the hell makes you so damn special? You live in a world of incredible beauty and endless wonder if you just take the time to investigate.I am an atheist myself and I think life is great despite all the downside that is out there.I do remember a phrase though I forget the author.
Every man owes God a death.
I agree with the sentiment behind this.

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'Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts.'
(Daniel Patrick Moynihan)

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Why must you have a reward for being alive? What the hell makes you so damn special? You live in a world of incredible beauty and endless wonder if you just take the time to investigate.I am an atheist myself and I think life is great despite all the downside that is out there.I do remember a phrase though I forget the author.
Every man owes God a death.
I agree with the sentiment behind this.I never said I was special, I am just a person like everyone else, I make mistakes, I hurt people and I am not perfect.Yes, the world is a truly amazing, wonderous and beautiful place. I travel a lot (in Australia) and I snorkel often so I am full aware of all the beauty....but it is beauty that God has provided...if it wasn't for Him not only would there be no wonders but we wouldn't be here either.However, Heaven is going to be by far better...perfect and I know I want to be there

I nearly forgot, it isn't a reward for being alive, it's a reward for being faithful to the Lord, for beleiving in Him and His word (the bible).Matthew 7 24-27
The Wise and Foolish Builders24"Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house; yet it did not fall, because it had its foundation on the rock. 26But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand. 27The rain came down, the streams rose, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell with a great crash."

shyangel So do we not suffer a witch to live? Children who disrespect there parents should be beaten[or is it killed?]So which words of God do you intend to put into practise and which do you intend to let slide?

Quote: So do we not suffer a witch to live? Children who disrespect there parents should be beaten[or is it killed?]So which words of God do you intend to put into practise and which do you intend to let slide?I don't have time to answer questions that have the answers in the bible, if you want to have these answered, read the bible, the new testament or speak to a pastor. It doesn't say children who misbeahave should be beaten or killed, too many people take bible verses out of context or read it wrong, you will have to discuss this with someone who is more knowligable than me. sorry.This siste is great for answering big questions and is very helpful.http://www.backtothebible.org/bigquestions/faqs.htm

Deuteronomy 21
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: 19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; 20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. 21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.It certainly does say that a rebelious child shall be stoned to death. Not sure how many other ways to read that passage there can be?

lolI knew when I first read your post what you had done, an easy mistake to make if you are unfamilar with the bible.That verse is from the old testament, before Jesus died for our sins things were very different and a lot harder than they are today.I spoke to my husband about this and he said Before Jesus died for us, people lived by some pretty harsh rules but that's all changed now and has been since Jesus died for our sins.
in the old testament...people were forgiven by the sacrifice of an animal...something had to die...to pay for the sin but Jesus died for our sins so now we can be forgiven through asking.

Is your husband aware that's not a position supported by the Bible? Harken unto the words of Jesus:

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Matthew 5:17-18
"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.

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Sounds to me like the stoning still applies. Speaking of which, in regards to not suffering witches to live, don't you think there's some Wiccans near where you live that you need to "take care of"?

You have just completely misunderstood it and I am tired of trying to explain it to you.As for the witches, it's God's job to deal with them when the time comes, not mine.

Ah, naturally. When the Bible so obviously contradicts your position, it's simply I who has misundertood it. How convenient. Hrm, is it? Deuteronomic law is pretty clear that you must not let witches or sorcerers be found among you. God seems to have delegated that task to man.

Here is that verse in it's full context.The Fulfillment of the Law17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.Jesus is talking about the ten commandmets here which areExodus 20
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

How do you get from "the law" to "just the ten commandments"? It's clear that Jesus is talking about the entire law, of which the ten decalogue is a subset.What I find funny is that I'm sure you'll insist that it's your interpretation that is the literal one.

Mattew 5 - 1919Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.It clearly states commndments, if you cannot understand this then I cannot help you, good luck with whatever it is your searching for.God Bless

True. But it doesn't say the ten commandments, because the phrase "ten commandments" is not Biblical.All of the laws are commandments, not just the Decalogue. Again you've given me no reason to assume that Jesus is talking specifically about those ten commandments when he says "the laws."It's not so much that I can't understand it. I understand exactly what you're doing - interpreting the Bible in the way you want to. What I don't understand is how you can consider yourself a Biblical literalist (if you do) while you're doing that.