Omniscience, Omnipotence, the Fall & Logical Contradictions.

My first message here.
About omnipotence here is a quote from one of my favorite novels (the name of the rose) " But how can a necessary being exist totally poluted with the possible? What difference is there, then, between God and primigenial chaos? Isn't affirming God's absolute omnipotence and His absolute freedom with regard to his own choices tantamount to demonstrating that God does not exist?"Could God change his mind? Since he knows already which decision he is going to make (no surprise for him) !PS: Sorry for the horrible english

that's what I meant . he can not change his mind thus his is not omnipotent. But in most religious books I know ( I am a former muslim , former deist and currently atheist)they speak about events as if god has taken decisions after human made a sin: for Adam and the apple, for sodom and Gomor, and some other fine stories.
is as if god did not know that those people were going to disobey his orders , as if it was a total surprise for him (he loved them and cared for them and suddenly they disobeyed so he punished them , this reaction is subject the dimensions of spacetime). As if there were two gods in one ( and I am talking about the three monotheist religions , even those which do not believe in Jesus being god and all the trinity story) : the god all mighty omnipotent , omniscient and so on... and the god made just like man (or like greek gods) : irascible , avenging, reactive

First, it's you that can not push god under your boot, it is not god who can not be under your boot. Mike Tyson is stronger than me even if he wants to commit suicide and let me stab him with a knife he will still be stronger than me. Your example is like saying god can not commit suicide, but I think god can commit suicide he can live forever but if he doesn't want to live there's nothing in his supposed characteristics which goes against it(the question would be then will the universe survive his death but that's another story)to come back to "he can not change his mind" this is something that he really can not do no matter what if he wants it or not, because he would have to erase his ability to know everythingEdited by trainspotting, : No reason given.Edited by trainspotting, : No reason given.

really? I thought that being unable of changing his mind because he knows everything is what defines his all-knowing. Unless you take his knowledge as a power, but anyway it only shows that these unelimited powers have in themselves their own limits.My reflexion was based on a chronological order. He already knows everything he knows even the fact that he would erase his ability of knowing everything or commit suicide , therefore changing his mind is still impossible. However, committing suicide is having the power to live tomorrow and deciding not to use or having the power of forgiving what Mr X will do tomorrow and deciding that he will not forgive it.I agree anyway this playing on words, but religions also play on words, their arguments and assuptions are based on these words, we are only playing with the same rules. If we wanted to ignore them , and if we wanted to ignore their arguments we wouldn't be here in the first place, we would stay away clinging to our beliefs or unbeliefs.PS: again sorry for my bad english Edited by trainspotting, : No reason given.Edited by trainspotting, : No reason given.