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jar
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Message 31 of 77 (212353)
05-29-2005 1:46 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by randman
05-29-2005 3:13 AM


Child, you're new here ...
and so I've given you some slack. But if you keep refering to me as though I did not understand the Bible as you do in the quote below, my Admin alter ego is gonna have to give you one powerful dope-slap.
That's one, but like I said, the book is probably not written nor intended to be understood by the non-believer.
Learn a little more about my beliefs and knowledge of the Bible before you spout off again.
The Book of Revelations is a historical political treatise dealing with events from around 1500 years ago.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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crashfrog
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Message 32 of 77 (212396)
05-29-2005 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by randman
05-29-2005 3:13 AM


That's one, but like I said, the book is probably not written nor intended to be understood by the non-believer.
To the contrary; it is only the non-believer who has the capacity to understand the book for what it truly is.

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Buzsaw
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Message 33 of 77 (212429)
05-29-2005 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by jar
05-29-2005 1:46 PM


Re: Child, you're new here ...
Learn a little more about my beliefs and knowledge of the Bible before you spout off again.
The Book of Revelations is a historical political treatise dealing with events from around 1500 years ago.
Jar, you've shown your gross ignorance of Biblical interpretation and doctrine over and over. If buzsaw should be banned from science, YOU SHUR'S HECK SHOULD BE BANNED FROM BIBLICAL FORUMS. Man, you haven't even learned the basic NT fundamental established fact that there's a relationship between Jesus Christ and salvation. When the only supernatural thing in the whole book which you can accept is the resurrection of Jesus Christ, you have no reason to threaten our new creo member the way you're doing with your admin powers, just because he rightly said you need to learn the Bible before trying to figure it out.
As I've suggested in the past, imo, it appears that the only reason in the world you call yourself a Christian is to use it as leverage against creo Christians who come on this board. In your debates about the Bible, you're the athiest's best advocate, arguing that about everything the Bible says is fable.

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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Buzsaw
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Message 34 of 77 (212431)
05-29-2005 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by crashfrog
05-29-2005 7:31 PM


To the contrary; it is only the non-believer who has the capacity to understand the book for what it truly is.
Thanks Crashfrog. You made my point. You, the athiest and Jar the professed Christian argue just about alike in the Biblical forums.

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crashfrog
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Message 35 of 77 (212453)
05-29-2005 10:24 PM
Reply to: Message 34 by Buzsaw
05-29-2005 9:50 PM


You, the athiest and Jar the professed Christian argue just about alike in the Biblical forums.
Debating the Bible is like competing in the Special Olympics - even if you win, you're still retarded. I mean, seriously. The book is made-up. And it isn't even all that good. I've had much more enoyable, interesting debates about Star Wars, if we want to talk about works of fiction.

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Buzsaw
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Message 36 of 77 (212477)
05-29-2005 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by crashfrog
05-29-2005 10:24 PM


Like I said........

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AdminAsgara
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Message 37 of 77 (212523)
05-30-2005 12:05 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
05-29-2005 9:46 PM


Re: Child, you're new here ...
The social and religious issues fora are for faith based discussions. Since faith is a personal issue, there is no way that someone can be banned from those particular fora for claiming a faith and beliefs that differ from others.
I suggest that all refrain from claiming that their way is the only way.

AdminAsgara Queen of the Universe

http://asgarasworld.bravepages.com http://perditionsgate.bravepages.com

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AdminPhat
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Message 38 of 77 (212551)
05-30-2005 2:14 AM
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05-30-2005 12:05 AM


Re: Child, you're new here ...
I could not have said it any more politely myself! The Queen has spoken--lets listen to her!

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Faith 
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Message 39 of 77 (212556)
05-30-2005 3:00 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
05-29-2005 9:46 PM


Re: Child, you're new here ...
As I've suggested in the past, imo, it appears that the only reason in the world you call yourself a Christian is to use it as leverage against creo Christians who come on this board. In your debates about the Bible, you're the athiest's best advocate, arguing that about everything the Bible says is fable.
My impression too, Buz. The atheists are tame, polite, reasonable, compared to Jar. If he's a Christian, who needs Nero?

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Brian
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From: Scotland
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Message 40 of 77 (212569)
05-30-2005 5:21 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Buzsaw
05-28-2005 3:06 PM


Re: How do Prophecies work?
1. Your statement is the equivalent of me stating that there's not one thing in science allowing for anyone to argue for the toe.
Which then initiates a discussion about how science proves evolution beyond all reasonable doubt.
2. Your topic of your message was not about how prophecy works, but whether prophecy is real/true.
I think you have misunderstood my post as it does explain how 'prophecy' works.
But, just to reinforce what has already been stated, let me give you an example that I am sure you will appreciate.
Just say that I proposed a topic that asks the question?
Was Jesus a con man or was he mentally ill?
What would your answer be?
Brian.

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AdminBrian
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Message 41 of 77 (212572)
05-30-2005 5:27 AM
Reply to: Message 39 by Faith
05-30-2005 3:00 AM


Re: Child, you're new here ...
I'm sure that you and Buz could discuss in private what you think about a particular member.
Keep making personal comments about members and there will be another short break for you.
AdminBrian.

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Asteragros
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Message 42 of 77 (212581)
05-30-2005 6:20 AM
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05-25-2005 7:28 AM


Re: How do Prophecies work?
Yes, you're right. My assumption is that one.

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Brian
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Message 43 of 77 (212583)
05-30-2005 6:44 AM
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05-30-2005 6:20 AM


Re: How do Prophecies work?
You do know that the two options that you provided are not the only two options that are possible?
For example, God could tell the prophet something and then humans could then do their best to make the prophecy come true, God doesn't need to *see* the future at all here. Just like the Davidic descent for the messiah, anyone who isn't a son of David wouldn't be considered as The Messiah by his countrymen, God doesn't need to be involved after the initial declaration.
Brian.

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Phat
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Message 44 of 77 (212587)
05-30-2005 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 33 by Buzsaw
05-29-2005 9:46 PM


Apolo-jar-tecs-defending the faith of an individual
Buz, I have watched Jar for quite some time. He is right in that we really cannot nor should not judge his relationship to God. It is true that Jar is very liberal, and in fact believes that the final dispensation will have non religious people being accepted based on their works and not on their professed beliefs.
this site has numerous scholarly interpretations of revelation. I am well aware of the traditional evangelical interpretation of revelation, and I lean towards the bible as inerrent and living word. Not so much inerrent literally and scholastically as inerrent practically and relationally.
Berith.org -- Essays -- Understanding the Book of Revelation Another view.
Jars view is quite liberal and is Anglican/Catholic/ Orthodox.
Your view is Protestant, evangelical, and literal.
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Buzsaw
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Message 45 of 77 (212607)
05-30-2005 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 37 by AdminAsgara
05-30-2005 12:05 AM


Re: Child, you're new here ...
The social and religious issues fora are for faith based discussions. Since faith is a personal issue, there is no way that someone can be banned from those particular fora for claiming a faith and beliefs that differ from others.
I suggest that all refrain from claiming that their way is the only way.
My comments weren't so much about what Jar believes about what the Bible teaches as they were as to what he's claiming about what it teaches. There's a liberal interpretation of things in the Bible and then there's the over-the-line flat out distortion and false statements about what it teaches. Imo, the sky should not be the limit for participation in Biblical theology. If there's going to be some perameters of posting conduct on behalf of secularists, there should be some limit on total nonsense in Biblical interpretation.

The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buzsaw

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