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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1487 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
An atheist sees nothing because they are out of the loop. You're quite mistaken. I'm an atheist, and my life has direction and purpose - the direction and purpose I determine. You haven't spoken to many atheists, I suspect.
It was then he hit bottom and GOD found him. Funny, that's just when GOD left me. Interesting, no?
Now, if we can only get his dad to see the light. Why, what's wrong with him? Sounds like he's an ok guy. Oh, I see. He doesn't believe the same thing as you, so he must be made to do so. Since apparently you don't judge people by their actions but by how close their beliefs are to you. If what's important to you (as your post suggests) is the transformative power of faith, then why complain when somebody finds that power from another source? Either works are redemptive, or faith is redemptive. You can't have it both ways. [This message has been edited by crashfrog, 08-06-2003]
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 755 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Maybe you were attempting to do works for GOD instead of letting GOD
What are you rambling about? Your brother in law was "found" by God (whom I was always told kept pretty close tabs on people - He must have misplaced your b.i.l.) and I got shed of Him, and we both got more mature. Lots of folks mature as they get older. I don't think it's supernatural at all.
work through you............................ Personal relationships are so very rewarding.
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A_Christian Inactive Member |
Dr. Tazimus maximus:
God provides the reason for our existance and will provide directionto those who desire to serve HIM. One cannot be a lukewarm towards GOD nor a fence sitter and expect great things to just happen. As the believer places more and more of his faith in GOD and leans more and more on HIM, GOD builds greater trust and draws one closer. PS: Louis Pasteur was a very Christian man by the way. Heexperienced many sad events and yet GOD brought him to greater things because Pasteur trusted the LORD.
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roxrkool Member (Idle past 1009 days) Posts: 1497 From: Nevada Joined: |
Me thinks there's a pastor in our midst.
A Christian, are you here to convert the infidels?
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wj Inactive Member |
Perhaps responding to the initial post might be more worthwhile than preaching.
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mike the wiz Member Posts: 4755 From: u.k Joined: |
He is only making a statement, which I for one agree with, personally.I too find my faith rewarded by God, when I have faith ofcourse.lol.
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Dr_Tazimus_maximus Member (Idle past 3237 days) Posts: 402 From: Gaithersburg, MD, USA Joined: |
quote:Actually, as I said earlier I provide my own reason for existance. Put another way, if you are right then how come all of those people who do not believe in your god can operate in this world in a sane, kind, purposeful manner. Why are their lives not empty of purpose and meaning. Many find their meaning in other religions, many find in in themselves. I am sorry that you can not provide for your own purpose and direction, and I have no need of your supposed diety to provide them for me.
quote:THat is because one must go out and MAKE great things happen. quote:And Aristotle, Plato, Li Er and Sun Tzu were not. So what
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A_Christian Inactive Member |
Well now Dr. Tazimus maximus:
No, Plato & Aristotle were not Christian. Neither, was FatherAbraham. I am sure that Plato & Aristole were well read and I really don't pretend to know what they may have been exposed to. Pharaoh wasn't a Hebrew (he had his own pagan beliefs, perhaps), and yet GOD used even Pharaoh to demonstrate HIS power & glory to those HE had choosen. Satan is presently the ruler of this world. And people who are not of GOD are under Satan's direction, and yet GOD will even use the self-righteous to test, teach, and lead righteous men of GOD.
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Mammuthus Member (Idle past 6495 days) Posts: 3085 From: Munich, Germany Joined: |
quote: Do you have a shred of evidence to back a single bit of this up?I could replace god and satan in your text with the Celestial Four Assed Monkey and Squiggy the Righteous Flatulant Ghost respectively and it would have as much support i.e. assertions are not evidence.
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Admin Director Posts: 13014 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
This thread has taken a strong right turn and is now way off topic, but since the thread wasn't active on the original topic it probably makes sense just to let this continue. I'll move this thread to the appropriate form. After moving the thread I will change the title to "Is God Required for a life to have Direction and Purpose?"
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Admin Director Posts: 13014 From: EvC Forum Joined: Member Rating: 1.9 |
Thread moved here from the The Great Debate forum.
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Peter Member (Idle past 1499 days) Posts: 2161 From: Cambridgeshire, UK. Joined: |
That doesn't make much sense -- punishing the animals
for Adam's transgression. ESpecially since God went to so much toruble to save the non-human animals when he decided to deluge the earth. Still, who said that the bible has to make sense -- andwho am I to question God
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Dan Carroll Inactive Member |
quote: A person needs a purpose... they hear one that sounds nice... from that point on they act on that purpose. How does this prove there's a god?
quote: I don't believe in God, and I see plenty. Go figure.
quote: Why do you say that? I have no trouble accepting the possiblity of universe as a four-dimensional object, in which our future actions are already determined. Doesn't require belief in God. Regardless... it's nice to hear your brother-in-law got his life in order. If he needed God to do so, I guess the idea works for him, and I certainly wouldn't begrudge him those means. But you seem to be commiting the most basic of logical fallacies... mistaking causality. "If A implies B, and B is true, A must also be true." For instance, "If God is real and the bible is true, then humans will find succor by believing in the bible. There are humans who find succor by believing in the bible, so clearly God is real and the bible is true." Nuh-uh. That's the same logic as saying, "If it rains today, it will be cold out. It's cold out, so it must be raining."
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