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mike the wiz
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Message 301 of 306 (216588)
06-13-2005 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 293 by CK
06-13-2005 7:50 AM


Re: EVIL God.
If he is all-powerful and all-seeing, he must already know which of us will pass his tests and fail, the winners and the losers. Why are we playing this game, why doesn't he just move all the winners to heaven now and shut down the maze? If he as powerful as the christians says, he could just summon all of the "winners" who have and will exist to Heaven. The only reason i can come up with is that he likes to fuck with our heads. Only an evil or mad God would act in such a fashion
Well, he says he will seperate the wheat from the chaff. Don't forget, God made the universe for HIS reasons, just because we sin, doesn't mean God should act immediately. Don't forget, HE IS GOD, therefore he will act when he chooses to act. Since when does his all-powerfulness negate what he chooses to do? Is he not the Lord to choose what he will?
If one human thinks he should do this and another thinks he should do that, which should he do? This or that? Or, would he obey the whims of mere mankind?
Ofcourse, f***ing with us, is the only reason you can come up with.
God might think that he'll give a lot of time, so that the Gospel is preached throughout the world so that the "losers" can become winners.
If God is all powerful and all-seeing, how does it follow that he should do what you say he should do, you being far from all-powerful etc? Should not your place be to find out what his will is rather than your own?
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Message 302 of 306 (216589)
06-13-2005 10:12 AM
Reply to: Message 301 by mike the wiz
06-13-2005 10:07 AM


Re: EVIL God.
That's all well and good but doesn't actually address any of my (or Brian's) points.
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God might think that he'll give a lot of time, so that the Gospel is preached throughout the world so that the "losers" can become winners.
See this is a prime example - an all-powerful God must know every person who has existed, exists and WILL exist that will accept his message. So why do he not just lift them all off to heaven? because he likes to fuck with our heads.
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Should not your place be to find out what his will is rather than your own?
No - why would I want to bow down to a human concept of an evil mad ego-crazy God?
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mike the wiz
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Message 303 of 306 (216592)
06-13-2005 10:21 AM
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06-13-2005 10:12 AM


Re: EVIL God.
But you're not really interested in an answer, because it doesn't matter how I show you that you don't have to conclude that it's to F with our heads, you will still conclude it. You think "this" I think it's because he's God, but it really doesn't matter because his will is what counts. He chooses for you to repent now. All these nonsense poppycock arguments about him foreseeing things is just an attempt by unbelieverse, to make excuses as to blame God, and thereby take focus off of there own sin, which is the real problem.
If God chooses to do something, then if you think that's to mess with your head, that doesn't mean he's evil.
If he chooses the winners to go to heaven NOW, you would be a loser and wouldn't go (for arguments sake, hypothetical), but then, what if you were going to believe in one year? Does that mean you'll go to heaven because of what you are going to do? Isn't that like getting arrested because I was "going to" rape someone in the future,
If all this happened, then life really would be a game, for which there is no point in partaking. The true game would be for God to do what you suggest.
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CK
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Message 304 of 306 (216595)
06-13-2005 10:26 AM
Reply to: Message 303 by mike the wiz
06-13-2005 10:21 AM


Re: EVIL God.
quote:
If he chooses the winners to go to heaven NOW, you would be a loser and wouldn't go (for arguments sake, hypothetical), but then, what if you were going to believe in one year?
Again you miss my point - if I am going to believe in the future - he must already know! So what's the point of the experiment. He could just "poof" all the people who would believe straight into existance in heaven.
No I'm afraid your evil head-fucking god is not for me. Galactus strikes me as a more realistic prospect.

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mike the wiz
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Message 305 of 306 (216598)
06-13-2005 10:28 AM
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06-13-2005 10:26 AM


Re:God.
I hereby enter heaven for what I would do?
Here Schumacher wins the Grandprix, because he was going to?
Why not just let him first? If God took you to heaven now, he would stop you from believing in the future. So what you would do has become what you won't doi, because you're now in heaven and can't do it. Charles, I have the wisdom from God, how can you possibly out-think God?
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Message 306 of 306 (216599)
06-13-2005 10:30 AM


Witching Hour folk.
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