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1.61803 Member (Idle past 1525 days) Posts: 2928 From: Lone Star State USA Joined: |
ChuckDiesel writes:
Funny you should mention that because some believe that the number that represents God is Zero. Your a brillant theologian.
god is a empty set-
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tsig Member (Idle past 2930 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
Seems like we're talking about everything except free will Free will is only possible without god. All religions demand the surrender of the will before we can see the truth.
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 498 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
AdminJar writes:
Well, I think GN's Message 35 sums it up pretty well. It is a very fancy way of saying god has no free will:
Lam, do you see this going much further or has just about everything been covered? quote: Unless there are other people that wants to address this point, I think we are about done with it. However, I don't think it is fair if you close it down. People of the future may want to bring this up again.
Seems like we're talking about everything except free will, or is this meant as an example?
We are talking about free will, aren't we? People are getting off topic, and that's what free will is. This message has been edited by Lam, 10-13-2004 10:09 PM
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coffee_addict Member (Idle past 498 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: |
FH writes:
Hahahaha. I didn't see that one coming.
You had asked a question of what kind a a jury one would want. My question was in the context of your question about the jury, maybe if you're guilty you might want a jury with less fact checking skills.
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asciikerr Inactive Member |
Sorry Yaro, in keeping w/the Topic and appeasing the Admins, I've removed that which didn't pertain to the Free-Will of God.
quote:A FINE example of God excercising Free-Will would be in how He willingly came down and gave His Life for Us. Jesus not excercising His own Free Will, but that of His Fathers. Also, if you do/did read scripture, you'd realize that Jesus also became hungry, tired and everything else me & you suffer from down here. He willigly chose things things to show us His Humanity and because only His Blood could wash away our sins, instead of the sacrificial way the Jews did in the Old Testament. Luke 22:41-42And He was withdrawn from them about a stone's throw, and He knelt down and prayed, saying, "Father, if it is Your will, take this cup away from Me; nevertheless not My will, but Yours, be done."
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tsig Member (Idle past 2930 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
His Blood could wash away our sins, instead of the sacrificial way the Jews did in the Old Testament.
Blood is exactly the way they did it in the old testament, so the new testament is also drenched in blood? If blood could wash away sins, we'd all be holy for surely you were born in your mother's blood.
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Phat Member Posts: 18299 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
Flying Hawk writes:
I have an odd way of looking at it. Adam and Eve were not so much kicked out of the Garden as the Garden was kicked out of them. That is when they really knew what Free Will was, when they did not live in Daddys Paradise any longer. What a limitless opportunity! We still have not found anything better than what Daddy wanted us to have all along, however.
Free will is only possible without god. All religions demand the surrender of the will before we can see the truth.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2930 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
Does god have free will?
If we say no, then god becomes a robot, with no choice but to create the universe and the whole plan of salvation. If yes, then God is not unchanging and could arbitrarily change the rules tomorrow and could commit sin. We could also say we don’t know, but that seems like dodging the question. I’m sure there are other possibilities.
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cavediver Member (Idle past 3665 days) Posts: 4129 From: UK Joined: |
Thanks for bumping this thread... very interesting.
Atheists and Christians (and the Bible) are all guilty of athropomorphising God. Christians are even better at stipulating what God can and cannot do based upon "interpretation" of scripture. I'm happy to claim what God can do, but I don't think I'd ever be so bold as to dogmatically state that God cannot do something (even if that something is lie, sin or perform evil, whatever these words mean in the context of God.) As for free-will, it is a human concept, based upon our knowledge of linear single-threaded conciousness. It is suggested that my free-will is merely an illusion and is actually an emergent property of my highly non-linear, multi-processing but ultimately deterministic brain. Does God have free-will? Not in any way we understand the concept.So does God not have free-will? Not in any way we understand the concept. Is that any better than we don’t know
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tsig Member (Idle past 2930 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
As for free-will, it is a human concept, based upon our knowledge of linear single-threaded conciousness. It is suggested that my free-will is merely an illusion and is actually an emergent property of my highly non-linear, multi-processing but ultimately deterministic brain. Does God have free-will? Not in any way we understand the concept.So does God not have free-will? Not in any way we understand the concept. Of course free will is a human concept, but then, so is god. If free will is an illusion how do we deal with the problem of evil? If human concepts do not apply to god then it is impossible to talk about god. This is the same as saying god does not exist.
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tsig Member (Idle past 2930 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
I have an odd way of looking at it. Adam and Eve were not so much kicked out of the Garden as the Garden was kicked out of them. That is when they really knew what Free Will was, when they did not live in Daddys Paradise any longer. What a limitless opportunity! We still have not found anything better than what Daddy wanted us to have all along, however. The qualities that are usually assigned to god, omnipotence, omniscience, etcetera, are qualities little children believe about their parents. It’s easy to see how the belief in an almighty father gives way to a belief in an Almighty Father.
when they did not live in Daddys Paradise any longer. What a limitless opportunity! Please clarify, was Paradise the opportunity?
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Phat Member Posts: 18299 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.1 |
DHR writes: Nah...just the previews.
Please clarify, was Paradise the opportunity?
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tsig Member (Idle past 2930 days) Posts: 738 From: USA Joined: |
Nah...just the previews. Never saw them.
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b b Member (Idle past 6153 days) Posts: 77 From: baton rouge, La, usa Joined: |
The bible tells us who god is exactly. We just make interpretations of what we think he is because we can't understand what is written. My belief is that God does have free will. He won't change his mind because he knows what he want and anything he does not want is sin. He gives us free will, but since he knows all; he knows what we will choose and waits for us to choose before he acts. I believe the visions given to us, for example, in revelations are plainly telling us he already knows the Alpha and Omega. No limitations at all on his actions because who could dare think of judging him? He is the ruler/creator of all that was, is, and will be.
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nator Member (Idle past 2191 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Do humans have the same ability as God to know the difference between Good and Evil? This message has been edited by schrafinator, 09-25-2005 08:56 PM
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