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Phat
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Message 766 of 794 (896457)
08-10-2022 3:10 AM
Reply to: Message 762 by dwise1
06-18-2022 2:07 AM


Re: Quote
Seth MacFarlane, eh? It's rare to watch him portray a character with only one voice.

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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

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“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
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PaulK
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Message 767 of 794 (896461)
08-10-2022 3:37 AM
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08-08-2022 1:47 PM


Re: Unfulfilled Prophecy
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Just now watching Viced Rhino's new video ( Atheists Admit Secrets That Atheists Never Admit!!! -- video refused to embed). Circa 36:00 he mentions that there are books of prophecy in the Bible that we can date by when the prophecies go from being accurate to being wrong. That would mean that the book was written around the time that it went from being accurate to being wrong. No, he didn't give examples here because that was an aside from critiquing a fundamentalist video misrepresenting atheists.
Daniel is an example. There’s some amazingly accurate stuff - but it goes off the rails later. Christians generally try to reinterpret it anyway to fit their beliefs, so it gets complicated when dealing with Fundamentalists who have no respect for actual scholarship.

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Message 768 of 794 (896463)
08-10-2022 7:12 AM
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08-10-2022 3:10 AM


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Seth MacFarlane, eh? It's rare to watch him portray a character with only one voice.
Well, he is a voice actor after all, along with wearing several other hats. Though in his live performances that I've seen and can think of (eg, The Orville, A Million Ways to Die in the West), he has done so with only one voice as far as I could tell.
Have you been watching The Orville? Arguably, it was the best Star Trek for quite a while -- I'm positive that they use the background music from Star Trek TNG. I feel that this last season, the third, has been more serious in tone with less of the Family Guy type humor of the previous seasons.
Though I noticed in a scene of a Krill bridge over the viewscreen were words in the Krill language, but it looked like "OOD DOO" (the first was the mirror image of the second). I assume that it was a play on when Mercer and Gordon learn about the Krill god, Avis, and Gordon joked "He's Number Two so he tries harder" (from the car rental commercials). "Number Two", "DOO DOO". BTW, the Krill are extremely religious, which is what makes them so extremely and violently xenophobic, wanting to kill all other space-faring species, especially humans.
Now myself in a discussion is another case, especially as I slip into the character of the type of person whose position I'm presenting. When I retired, one co-worker remarked that she was going to miss all the voices.
 
Speaking of voice actors, Nancy Cartwright does the voices for seven of the characters on The Simpsons, most notably Bart Simpson ("He's an underachiever and proud of it.").
Here is one in which she does all seven voices in less than 40 seconds:
And in another video, the first one of these that I saw, she meets a fan in the wild. At first he's thinking, "Hey, that's a pretty good impression", but then the look on his face as he starts to realize that he really is talking with Bart Simpson. I'm posting the URL because this video is yet another one that refused to embed: Thirteen-year-old Boy meets Bart Simpson Not sure what that's about.
This is a YouTube search page of various of her videos: https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nancy+cartwr...

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Message 769 of 794 (897786)
09-12-2022 11:43 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by coffee_addict
06-23-2004 12:39 PM


Coffee, the Bible tells us when the end of this present
age will come.
Matthew 24:14 ..."and this gospel (good news) of the
Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness
unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
The vast majority of Christian denominations say that
the gospel is being preached unto all the world right now,
but this is not true.
What is being taught is a gospel about Jesus, about His
life. Only a small fraction actually teaches the gospel
that Jesus Himself taught from the very beginning of
His ministry.
Mark 1:14 ..."Jesus came into Galilee preaching the
Gospel (good news) of the Kingdom of God.
The coming Kingdom of God was the great news that
Christ gave to us.
A Kingdom requires a ruler; subjects; territory; and laws.
Daniel 2:14 "and in the days of these kings (10 nations
ruled over by the beast and false prophet) shall the God
of heaven set up a Kingdom that shall never be destroyed,
and the Kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it
shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms,
and it shall stand forever."
This is a future event. The Kingdom has not yet been
established, nor has the good news of its coming been
preached unto the entire world.
The two witnesses in Revelation 11 will for three and
one half years proclaim the good news of the coming
Kingdom to the entire world for a witness.
The world will not believe the two witnesses. They will
instead place their faith firmly in the human leader
(the beast) and false prophet (spiritual leader).
There are other signs that must be fulfilled before the
two witnesses appear on the world scene, but this is
the final sign.

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ringo
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Message 770 of 794 (897788)
09-12-2022 11:57 AM
Reply to: Message 769 by candle2
09-12-2022 11:43 AM


candle2 writes:
the Bible tells us when the end of this present
age will come.

Matthew 24:14 ..."and this gospel (good news) of the
Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness
unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
Read on a little further in the chapter:
quote:
Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
"This generation" is the people who were standing in front of Jesus at the time, the people who were alive in c. 30 CE. Jesus was that predicting "these things" would happen within a few decades - i.e. in the 1st century CE.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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nwr
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Message 771 of 794 (897793)
09-12-2022 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 769 by candle2
09-12-2022 11:43 AM


Coffee, the Bible tells us when the end of this present
age will come.

Yes. It is clear that it would come within the lifetimes of the apostles.
There seem only two possibilities. Either it already came and nobody noticed; or they were wrong and perhaps there will never be an end times.

Fundamentalism - the anti-American, anti-Christian branch of American Christianity

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PaulK
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Message 772 of 794 (897798)
09-12-2022 2:07 PM
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09-12-2022 11:57 AM


quote:
"This generation" is the people who were standing in front of Jesus at the time, the people who were alive in c. 30 CE. Jesus was that predicting "these things" would happen within a few decades - i.e. in the 1st century CE.
Of course he was wrong. Daniel 8 tells us that the End Times will be in the latter days of the Diadochi kingdoms. Battle of Actium, 31 BC and that’s IT. The Bible says so.

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Message 773 of 794 (897817)
09-12-2022 4:30 PM
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09-12-2022 2:07 PM


PaulK writes:
Daniel 8 tells us that the End Times will be in the latter days of the Diadochi kingdoms. Battle of Actium, 31 BC and that’s IT.
Heh... I never knew there were two end-times predictions in the Bible, I thought it was just the one ringo mentioned.
Are there more than 2?

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Message 774 of 794 (897828)
09-13-2022 12:17 AM
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09-12-2022 4:30 PM


There are certainly more than two predictions. The predictions in the Old Testament are generally vague as to when. The New Testament generally indicates the near future.

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candle2
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Message 775 of 794 (897867)
09-14-2022 11:45 AM
Reply to: Message 770 by ringo
09-12-2022 11:57 AM


Sorry to take so long to reply, Ringo.
It is extremely important to also add verse 33 when
we interpret exactly who "this generation" is.
33: "So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things,
know that it is near, even at the door."
34: "Truly I say unto you, this generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled."
Read the entire chapter. It is an end-time prophecy.
At the time when this prophecy takes place technological
advances will be such that we could kill everyone on the
face of the earth. Read verse 22.
It is at the end of this "present age," when Jesus will
replace Satan as ruler of the earth. Jesus will at that
time set up His Kingdom.
However, when the great tribulation (which is Satan's
wrath) and associated events begin some alive at its
beginning will still be alive at its end.
End time events would not carry on indefinitely.
That generation would see see the arrival of the
specific three and one half period that marks the
end of this present evil age.
Notice Revelation 11. The two witnesses lie dead in
the street for three and a half days. Yet the entire
world sees them. The deceived population will send
each other presents to commemorate their deaths.
Only after the invent of satellite and media could the
world know that they were even dead.
The central theme of the entire Bible is that of the
coming Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is
the means by which God begins to save humanity.

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Message 776 of 794 (897878)
09-14-2022 3:27 PM
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09-14-2022 11:45 AM


candle2 writes:
It is extremely important to also add verse 33 when
we interpret exactly who "this generation" is.
There's no need to interpret who "this generation" is. It's stated clearly.
And your verse 33 confirms it. "Ye" refers to the people that Jesus was talking to at that very moment, not somebody who would be born thousands of years in the future.
candle2 writes:
Read the entire chapter.
I did. I pointed ot the part that YOU ignored.
candle2 writes:
It is an end-time prophecy.
Yes, it's a FAILED prophecy.
candle2 writes:
At the time when this prophecy takes place technological
advances will be such that we could kill everyone on the
face of the earth.
Where does it say anything about technological advances?
candle2 writes:
That generation would see see the arrival of the
specific three and one half period that marks the
end of this present evil age.
But they didn't.
candle2 writes:
Notice Revelation 11.
No. We're talking about Matthew 24. You can't use a different book to try to "fix" a failed prophecy in Matthew.
candle2 writes:
The central theme of the entire Bible is that of the
coming Kingdom of God.
Jesus disagreed with you:
quote:
Matthew:36-40 Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

"Oh no, They've gone and named my home St. Petersburg.
What's going on? Where are all the friends I had?
It's all wrong, I'm feeling lost like I just don't belong.
Give me back, give me back my Leningrad."
-- Leningrad Cowboys

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Message 777 of 794 (897885)
09-14-2022 3:54 PM
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09-14-2022 3:27 PM


quote:
No. We're talking about Matthew 24. You can't use a different book to try to "fix" a failed prophecy in Matthew.
He gets that one wrong, too.
9 For three and a half days members of the peoples and tribes and languages and nations will gaze at their dead bodies and refuse to let them be placed in a tomb
It just says that people of different nations will look at the bodies. So all you need is a cosmopolitan city with a lot of foreigners.

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Message 778 of 794 (897907)
09-15-2022 3:36 PM
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09-14-2022 3:27 PM


Ringo, the point I made about military technology is
that at the time Jesus gave this speech (which includes
The entirety of chapters 23 through 25) is that 2000
years ago man's ability to annihilate itself was
Impossible.
Only during the 20th Century did man develop the
military weapons that would enable mankind to
completely annihilate itself.
Matthew 24:22 "And except those days should be
Shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for
the elect' sake those days shall be shortened.
The crowd at that time didn't witness total
destruction. Only this present generation can see
all that is mentioned in chapter 24.
I guess my reference to Revelation 11 was also
beyond you understanding.
I'm not trying to be sarcastic here; it's just that
sometimes it is best to be direct.
Only the generation that sees all these things,
including the great tribulation mentioned in
verse 22, can qualify as being among those in
"this generation."

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Message 779 of 794 (897911)
09-15-2022 4:09 PM
Reply to: Message 777 by PaulK
09-14-2022 3:54 PM


Paulk, the two witnesses perform miracles that affect
the whole world. Read all of this chapter. We are at that
time in the days.
The Apostle John could both read and write. If he had
meant that only the inhabitants of Jerusalem were able
to see the dead bodies he could have simply stated this.
But, this not what he said. However, if had wished to say
that inhabitants from all nations and tongues viewed the
bodies, he succeeded.
The closest large city to me is Nashville. If something
happened there and a large part of city's population
saw it which would they say:
A large part of Nashville's population witnessed...
Or,
People from all nations; tribes; ethnic groups; and,
languages witnessed...
The second way even sounds stupid, doesn't it?

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PaulK
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Message 780 of 794 (897912)
09-15-2022 4:33 PM
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09-15-2022 4:09 PM


quote:
Paulk, the two witnesses perform miracles that affect
the whole world. Read all of this chapter. We are at that
time in the days.

I have read it. Which is more than you have done.
quote:
The closest large city to me is Nashville. If something
happened there and a large part of city's population
saw it which would they say:

A large part of Nashville's population witnessed...

Or,

People from all nations; tribes; ethnic groups; and,
languages witnessed...
Is Nashville famous for being visited by many foreigners? Ancient Rome was. Or modern London. It would not surprise me if something similar were said about the Queen’s funeral.
Indeed, it is the sort of thing that might well be said about the Olympic Games, speaking only of the visitors, not the people watching on TV.
The deceits by which you deny the Bible are hollow and empty.

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