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Author Topic:   When Will The End-Times Be And How Will We Know?
AZPaul3
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Message 736 of 763 (894955)
06-03-2022 2:03 PM
Reply to: Message 735 by nwr
06-03-2022 1:56 PM


Re: Climate Change Triggers The End Times
Or it never could have happened and can't happen since it is just a fantasy.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 737 of 763 (894968)
06-03-2022 9:10 PM
Reply to: Message 735 by nwr
06-03-2022 1:56 PM


Re: Climate Change Triggers The End Times
nwr writes:
It seems to me that either the second coming already happened and nobody noticed, or it will never happen.
Or... Anything that remotely resembles the End Times will be seen as a fulfilment by those who want to see it.

"I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
-- Lucky Ned Pepper

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Message 738 of 763 (894980)
06-04-2022 1:51 PM
Reply to: Message 732 by AZPaul3
06-02-2022 2:13 PM


Re: Climate Change Triggers The End Times
It looks as if Pestilence came first.(Pandemic)
War looks to be second.
Famine might be third.
But what do I know? I don't read that stuff much lately.

"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
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“…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

“A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

“The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
(1894).


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Message 739 of 763 (894981)
06-04-2022 2:01 PM
Reply to: Message 738 by Phat
06-04-2022 1:51 PM


Re: Climate Change Triggers The End Times
So, when were you thinking that pestilence, war, and famine were not happening somewhere in the world? Or are you just talking about in the U.S.? They seem like a pretty constant part of the human experience , to me.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

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Message 740 of 763 (894985)
06-04-2022 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 739 by Tanypteryx
06-04-2022 2:01 PM


Re: Climate Change Triggers The End Times
Looking at the world in which the tales were first written I think the Roman world centered on the Levant was the whole of creation. John the Demented, Seer of Apocalypse, had nowhere else to set his work so that is the world to examine.
And you are right. There has been plaque, pestilence, famine and war all throughout the Levant and surrounding territories for the last 2500 years pretty much solid.
So when is that old hippie supposed to show up and stop it all?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 741 of 763 (894986)
06-04-2022 6:26 PM
Reply to: Message 724 by dwise1
05-30-2022 12:48 PM


Re: JarThink
I very strongly suspect that he just pulled a number out of his ass
Sorry, dwise1. Just because you fail to see candle2's mathematics professor's model doesn't mean he doesn't have one. And his model should be quite obvious: it is based on the most important constant in all of physics - the fine structure constant. This constant, equal to e^2/hc which is equal to 1/137 (where e, h, c are the charge of the electron, Planck's constant, and the speed of light, respectively, and is usually denoted by the Greek letter alpha). Alpha^8 = 1/1.24x10^17. What this model proves is that the Bible authors were truly divinely inspired because they could not possibly have known about quantum electrodynamics (QED) when they wrote their prophecies. Since the value of alpha determines the strength of electron interactions, and thus the stability of all chemicals (including whatever comes out of that mathematicians ass), these prophesies also attest to the Devine creation of everything in the universe. Candle2's mathematics friend will go down in history as the greatest theologian humanity has ever produced.
And please don't get me started on the significance of the electron's gyromagnetic ratio to the second coming of Christ.

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Message 742 of 763 (894991)
06-04-2022 8:06 PM
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06-04-2022 6:26 PM


Re: JarThink
Oh, please, please sir, do tell us of the significance of the electron's gyromagnetic ratio to the second coming of Christ.
Inquiring minds want to know.

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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Message 743 of 763 (894992)
06-04-2022 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 742 by AZPaul3
06-04-2022 8:06 PM


Re: JarThink
Inquiring minds want to know.
Oh, indeed!
Please sir, may we have some more?

Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

What if Eleanor Roosevelt had wings? -- Monty Python

One important characteristic of a theory is that is has survived repeated attempts to falsify it. Contrary to your understanding, all available evidence confirms it. --Subbie

If evolution is shown to be false, it will be at the hands of things that are true, not made up. --percy

The reason that we have the scientific method is because common sense isn't reliable. -- Taq


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Message 744 of 763 (895014)
06-06-2022 3:35 AM
Reply to: Message 739 by Tanypteryx
06-04-2022 2:01 PM


Re: Climate Change Triggers The End Times
They become more newsworthy when 1st world Western nations begin to experience them. Now I know you all think I'm daft on my financial apologetic predictions, so I will publically state what I believe is 85% certain to happen in at least some measure. Take notes and we can recheck them in 18 months.
  • The U.S. Dollar, as of today stronger than it's been in a while, is merely being weaponized against Putin and the naysayers against Fiat currency stability. The dollar will continue to devalue as inflation continues hiking prices.
    For those invested in stocks, the ride is over. Tech stocks are no longer the darling. Hard asset commodities (oil, steel, copper, precious metals) are the wave of counter-cyclical investing. The bill is finally getting paid and the strategy is to repay it in inflated dollars. The US middle class is and will be the primary victim. The world will go on...its not going to end yet, but human nature will become increasingly desperate for the good times of yore. Enter another Republican Populist (hopefully not Trump again) who will reverse the policies which the Democrats reversed from Trump, who attempted to reverse Obama...etc etc. Never a consensus in US politics thus nothing substantial ever gets done. But we all will be feeling financial pain if we don't prepare now to at least survive. (and yes, Percy I am watching my diet)
    The Federal Reserve was WRONG. The educated economist minds had no clue of the big picture.
    The US will soon realize that the party is ending. Let us hope we at least fix our roads and bridges first. And stay out of the world's business unless it directly affects us!!

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    Phat
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    Message 745 of 763 (895015)
    06-06-2022 3:49 AM
    Reply to: Message 740 by AZPaul3
    06-04-2022 5:35 PM


    Re: Climate Change Triggers The End Times
    AZ writes:
    So when is that old hippie supposed to show up and stop it all?
    Why stop it? After all, Tanypteryx sees it as the Human Experience. I'm waiting to see the human solution. I predict we all won't agree on that just as we don't agree on much in politics.
    If the hippie shows up, He may just fold His arms and remark that since few if any progressives even believed that He existed, they are required to fix it themselves.
    And He won't care if everyone gets mad at Him for doing nothing. After all, we did nothing for hundreds of years.

    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    AZPaul3
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    Message 746 of 763 (895017)
    06-06-2022 6:33 AM
    Reply to: Message 745 by Phat
    06-06-2022 3:49 AM


    Re: Climate Change Triggers The End Times
    Why stop it?
    Because 2000 years ago he promised to stop the bloodshed and the suffering. He promised them lives free of the oppression of Rome and enlightened in the presence of god. And he promised this to those of his generation 2000 years ago. He lied.
    You religious weenies have been awaiting that promise and losing ever since. Such betrayal of the flock is not good of a shepherd. You've been abandoned by a fairy tale for 2000 years but you still won't let go.
    Do you know how stupid you guys look chasing the apocalypse every few years?

    Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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    Phat
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    Message 747 of 763 (895023)
    06-06-2022 9:40 AM
    Reply to: Message 746 by AZPaul3
    06-06-2022 6:33 AM


    Re: Climate Change Triggers The End Times
    AZ writes:
    Do you know how stupid you guys look chasing the apocalypse every few years?
    Nobody that I know is chasing any apocalypse. Society is not doing a very good job of preparing for an ever-increasingly complex future, however. You seem to lump Christians and Conservatives together and blame *them* (the other side) for the majority of the problems. How is that working out for you?
    You have already stated that the statistics show that climate change will eventually end the society we now have.
    And you have decided that if Jesus actually exists He will get much of the blame. How would that hypothetically work out? I suppose you could hide in a cave and take some magic mushrooms!

    Edited by Phat, : spellig Spelling


    "A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." ~Mark Twain "
    ***
    “…far from science having buried God, not only do the results of science point towards his existence, but the scientific enterprise itself is validated by his existence.”- Dr.John Lennox

    “A God without wrath brought men without sin into a Kingdom without judgment through the ministrations of a Christ without a Cross.”
    H. Richard Niebuhr, The Kingdom of God in America

    “The most difficult subjects can be explained to the most slow-witted man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of a doubt, what is laid before him.” — Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God is Within You
    (1894).


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    AZPaul3
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    Message 748 of 763 (895029)
    06-06-2022 10:32 AM
    Reply to: Message 747 by Phat
    06-06-2022 9:40 AM


    Re: Climate Change Triggers The End Times
    None of this negates that your Jesus lied to his disciples about their future then abandoned humanity never to be seen again. Your messiah isn’t and your savior didn’t. Add lots of tortured screams and blood and you have the history of Christianity.
    You seem to lump Christians and Conservatives together and blame *them* (the other side) for the majority of the problems. How is that working out for you?
    What is this asking? How is christians and conservatives tearing down society working out for us?
    How do you expect? We're dying!
    And you have decided that if Jesus actually exists He will get much of the blame.
    Your Jesus will be blamed in part but only as representative of the extreme stupid he brings to the human mind.

    Stop Tzar Vladimir the Condemned!

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    Message 749 of 763 (895036)
    06-06-2022 12:11 PM
    Reply to: Message 744 by Phat
    06-06-2022 3:35 AM


    Re: Climate Change Triggers The End Times
    Phat writes:
    I will publically state what I believe is 85% certain to happen in at least some measure.
    Are you sure that's vague enough?
    Phat writes:
    ... Fiat currency....
    So you don't think Fiat currency will ever become Ferrari currency again?

    "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
    -- Lucky Ned Pepper

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    Message 750 of 763 (895037)
    06-06-2022 12:12 PM
    Reply to: Message 745 by Phat
    06-06-2022 3:49 AM


    Re: Climate Change Triggers The End Times
    Phat writes:
    If the hippie shows up, He may just fold His arms and remark that since few if any progressives even believed that He existed, they are required to fix it themselves.
    We have ALWAYS been required to fix it ourselves.

    "I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man!"
    -- Lucky Ned Pepper

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