Atheism is a belief (Why Atheists don't believe part 2)

Not in the slightest. This is an open and painfully honest statement of my belief. It’s not written in any book or enshrined by a religious organization as what you HAVE to believe, thus it is not dogma.

Randy, Rat--fellas, if we were in a bar, I'd ask you to take it outside: you are both shedding considerably more heat than light.Please do not protest with finger-pointing, don't justify, and don't reply in this thread.But do, please, humor an old bear and return to the State of Civility.Edited by AdminOmni, : added names

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Trust me.

No. An Agnostic is uncertain as to the existence of the God/s. an Atheist {strong} has no uncertainty as to the existence of the God/s. While its true that an Atheist {strong} can not prove this stance as this would require the proof of a negative (thus requiring knowledge of EVERYTHING) that doesn’t mean it’s an un tenable position. It’s is fair and valid to hold this view as a belief.I am certain that the God/s don’t exist. Absolutely certain. I truly and utterly believe this to be the case. However, I freely admit I could be wrong. This stance is not, in the least bit, uncertain, not fuzzy round the edges, and thus not Agnostic. I concur. The second half of my post was a more general comment to the thread and not a rebuttal of your stance (sorry for any confusion)

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In college they seem to present a case against God.

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What the hell are you talking about?I went to a 4-year liberal arts college and never once did any professor ever "make any case against God".In fact, in several of my history courses we learned of various religious beliefs, and never once did the professor ever say (or even remotely imply), "and by the way, these are false religions."Did you ever go to a secular college, rat, or are you just repeating propaganda again?Edited by schrafinator, : kan't sepl

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When a professor in college stands in front of a class, and says "prove God exists" you got dogma.

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OMG, ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Fantastic, utterly fantastic.

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I have already signed up to be on CrashFrog's welcoming committe and have a place set for him at the great fish fry and BBQ.

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Can I come too if I bring a triple batch of my grandmother's recipe for potato salad?

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So you've never seen a baby get scared about something that wasn't himself?

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Irrelevant.You don't understand what "theory of mind" means.In short, it means: "the ability to understand that others have beliefs, desires and intentions that are different from one's own."

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But I am saying that school doesn't leave you with much else to believe in.

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Why should they be concerned with telling people what to believe in?

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Not being able to believe doesn't make you an atheist.

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Sure it does.Everybody is born an Atheist, as I've said before.It's only when we are able to absorb cultural messages do we aquire religion and belief in Gods from our families and society at large.

All Good Atheists welcome in Heaven, didn't you know? We gonna have all the brothers, all the good Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhists, Satanists, Wiccans, Taoists, Mulsims, Jews, Hindus, all the folk that make a great hoedown. It will be a great day, good food, good friends and damn few fundie Christians.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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You can't disbelieve if you can't believe.
You could be neither a theist, or an atheist.

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OK, then everybody is born an Agnostic?

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truth of the dogma?

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What the fuck does that mean?

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Sicne a dogma is a belief it can be true or false. The "the truth of the dogma" means "whether the dogma is true or not". It's prefectly ordinary English.

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I think it says exactly what it says.

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Then since it supports my views and contradicts your assertions you should have conceded that I was correct.

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I have no idea what this means, does anyone else?

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It means under the definition of atheism we are using there are NO beliefs that an atheist must hold. Therefore under that definition of atheism there cannot be an atheist dogma. Under the definition of atheism as a belief that God does not exist you have one belief but you need to show that it fits the rest of the definition of "dogma". The first word in that definition is "authoritative" - so where is the relevant "authority" ?

jar You better be ready to tear up some powder snow in those heavenly valleys jar. Dress warm and bring some beer.

Um, where's the problem? We are temporally limited entities, just like toasters, so you can only find us in certain portions of time. The terms we use like "cease to be" come from our very limited means of perceiving time.

I stand corrected.