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Topic: Where/how do believers draw the line and why?
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 46 of 88 (434358)
11-15-2007 3:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 1 by Spektical
11-05-2007 1:42 PM
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where do believers make the distinction between what parts of the bible to take literally and what parts not to, and why? To be taken literally it has to make sense, be plausible, sound, not too unrealistic and feel right to me. Now, realizing that god has magic powers, plasusibility and realistic-ness are a grey area, but if whatever unrealistic thing god supposedly did doesn't look like it really happened, then I won't turn god into Loki by saying that things don't look like they really are.
My contention is the biblical writings are so open to interpretation that it has caused the many sects within the primary faith itself. Did this contention just pop into your head and now you are advancing it or did you actually look into the beginnings of the various sects and try to figure out why they really came about?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 47 of 88 (434359)
11-15-2007 3:47 PM
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Reply to: Message 44 by Spektical
11-15-2007 3:35 PM
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Spektical writes: I don't need your help in articulating my point. I'm not trying to help. I'm trying to get you to substantiate your point. If unitarianism has something to do with your point, it's up to you to explain it to us. So far, all you've done is hand-wave the answers you've been given. It's time to step up to the plate and discuss your own topic.
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Spektical
Member (Idle past 5999 days) Posts: 119 Joined: 10-16-2007
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Message 48 of 88 (434360)
11-15-2007 3:55 PM
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Reply to: Message 45 by jar
11-15-2007 3:41 PM
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Re: Is there a point?
Yes for the umpteenth time I have read message 6...I know all about the water thingy, its been chiseled into my brain since childhood. I think you should review this whole thread and read what I've stated before so you can answer your own question. Now if you're asking me what the symbolic meaning of the water thingy is then it would be a completely different issue. I am more than willing to listen to your interpretation of it.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 49 of 88 (434362)
11-15-2007 4:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 48 by Spektical
11-15-2007 3:55 PM
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Re: Is there a point?
The question is "What is your point?" The question you ask in the OP, "Where/how do believers draw the line and why?", has been answered. In fact it has been answered several times and by several people. Is there something more you want? Do you have a point?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Spektical
Member (Idle past 5999 days) Posts: 119 Joined: 10-16-2007
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Message 50 of 88 (434384)
11-15-2007 5:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 49 by jar
11-15-2007 4:03 PM
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Re: Is there a point?
The point is religious people are self-liars.....they lie to themselves. And yes I want more..I want them all to stop lying to themselves and killing people in the process. Edited by Spektical, : No reason given. Edited by Spektical, : No reason given.
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New Cat's Eye
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Message 51 of 88 (434385)
11-15-2007 6:01 PM
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Reply to: Message 50 by Spektical
11-15-2007 5:56 PM
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Re: Is there a point?
The point is religious people are self-liars.....they lie to themselves. .|.. ^.^ ..|.
And yes I want more..I want them all to stop lying to themselves and killing people in the process. 
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 52 of 88 (434386)
11-15-2007 6:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 50 by Spektical
11-15-2007 5:56 PM
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Re: Is there a point?
The point is religious people are self-liars.....they lie to themselves. I suppose you can show how that is related to either the topic or something posted in this thread?
And yes I want more..I want them all to stop lying to themselves and killing people in the process. I suppose you can show how that is related to either the topic or something posted in this thread?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Spektical
Member (Idle past 5999 days) Posts: 119 Joined: 10-16-2007
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Message 53 of 88 (434393)
11-15-2007 6:17 PM
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Reply to: Message 52 by jar
11-15-2007 6:03 PM
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Re: Is there a point?
wonderful...so back to the original point. The unitarian sect of Christianity believes that Jesus was a prophet but not God himself. The rest of Christianity believes that Jesus is in fact God. This dispute of ideas is a prime example of the OP.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 54 of 88 (434394)
11-15-2007 6:19 PM
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Reply to: Message 53 by Spektical
11-15-2007 6:17 PM
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Re: Is there a point?
Okay. Yes, there are differences in beliefs. Do you have a point? AbE: some info on Unitarianism that seems to contradict your assertion:
Unitarian Universalists (UUs) believe in complete but responsible freedom of speech, thought, belief, faith, and disposition. They believe that each person is free to search for his or her own personal truth on issues like the existence, nature, and meaning of life, deities, creation, and afterlife. UUs can come from any heritage, have any sexual orientation, and hold beliefs from a variety of cultures or religions. Concepts about deity are diverse among UUs. Some believe that there is no god (atheism); others believe in many gods (polytheism). Some believe that God is a metaphor for a transcendent reality. Some believe in a female god (goddess), a passive god (Deism), a Christian god, or a god manifested in nature or one which is the "ground of being". Some UUs reject the idea of deities and instead speak of "universal spirit" or "reverence of life". Unitarian Universalists support each person's search for truth and meaning in concepts of deity. From General Beliefs Edited by jar, : add entry on UU Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Spektical
Member (Idle past 5999 days) Posts: 119 Joined: 10-16-2007
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Re: Is there a point?
you laugh.....have you seen the Jesus Camp documentary? Do you laugh at the people who are regularly brainwashed to commit suicide in the name of their religion who kill innocent people?
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Spektical
Member (Idle past 5999 days) Posts: 119 Joined: 10-16-2007
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Message 56 of 88 (434396)
11-15-2007 6:22 PM
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Reply to: Message 54 by jar
11-15-2007 6:19 PM
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Re: Is there a point?
I already stated my point jar.....don't ask me again. Instead show me some intelligence and debate it. You're starting to sound like a broken record.
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jar
Member (Idle past 416 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 57 of 88 (434402)
11-15-2007 6:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 56 by Spektical
11-15-2007 6:22 PM
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Re: Is there a point?
What is your point? I provided the reasons why I accept parts of the Bible, interpret others and reject some, which was the topic of the thread, and I have never threatened to kill anyone, or in fact attempted to do so. So again, what is your point?
Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Spektical
Member (Idle past 5999 days) Posts: 119 Joined: 10-16-2007
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Message 58 of 88 (434403)
11-15-2007 6:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 57 by jar
11-15-2007 6:26 PM
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Re: Is there a point?
Don't worry about my point jar..its not for you.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 433 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 59 of 88 (434404)
11-15-2007 6:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 53 by Spektical
11-15-2007 6:17 PM
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Re: Is there a point?
Spektical writes: The unitarian sect of Christianity believes that Jesus was a prophet but not God himself. The rest of Christianity believes that Jesus is in fact God. This dispute of ideas is a prime example of the OP. The OP suggests that sectarian differences are the result of differences in bible interpretation and, specifically, differences between literal and non-literal interpretations. You haven't shown that. It could be argued, for example, that many (most?) sectarian differences are a result of political factors rather than Biblical interpretation. Until you actually post something to substantiate the OP, your point is dead in the water.
“Faith moves mountains, but only knowledge moves them to the right place” -- Joseph Goebbels -------------
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Spektical
Member (Idle past 5999 days) Posts: 119 Joined: 10-16-2007
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Message 60 of 88 (434411)
11-15-2007 6:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 59 by ringo
11-15-2007 6:30 PM
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Re: Is there a point?
Thanks Ringo you just proved my point. Interpretation of anything is based on the current need of the person interpreting it. If a people (like the protestant movement) are feeling a certain injustice because of sanctions manifested by the Catholic church, they decide to change the interpretation of the biblical stories to suit their cause and separate. But this is the nature of the beast, it is found everywhere in history, empires rise and fall, ideas change, technology becomes obsolete. Religions are divided because they don't meet the needs of the people. I guess my OP should have been why do people practice religion. Edited by Spektical, : No reason given.
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