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ringo
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Message 76 of 108 (376518)
01-12-2007 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Kader
01-12-2007 12:35 PM


Re: on voices
Kader writes:
only a select few seems to have that provilege, hence why I want to know if you are special
I don't think "only a select few have that privilege".
I think I have experiences that are very similar to jar's, but I don't necessarily think of it as God talking to me. You probably have silmilar experiences too, but you don't think of it as God talking to you.
Whether it "is" God talking to you or not is not important.
We all have the same "inputs" (even if those inputs are generated by our own brains). Some call it the voice of God. Some call it intuition. Some call it something else.
No need to make an issue of it.

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jar
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Message 77 of 108 (376519)
01-12-2007 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Kader
01-12-2007 12:35 PM


Re: on voices
But what do you do when people CLAIM that God spoke to them. And BASED on thoses claims act accordingly ?
You respond accordingly.
God is creating a situation that promotes war and hate.
LOL. Not sure where you get that. You yourself said that you do not think GOD actually spoke to them.
ps : I've heard Jar (and ringo's ?) Answer to my questions.
I'm the problem, I do not listen properly or my current condition makes me unnable to hear him.
More laughs.
No, I did not say that and in fact, you are simply once again supporting what I did say.
I said I don't know why you cannot hear GOD talking to you.

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iceage 
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Message 78 of 108 (376521)
01-12-2007 12:49 PM


Maps
This talk about maps and territory I don't think clarifies much.
Having spent a considerable amount of time in the bush and can attest having the wrong map is worse than having no map at all. Also, even misreading the correct map can be worse than having no map in all.

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ringo
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Message 79 of 108 (376522)
01-12-2007 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 75 by Kader
01-12-2007 12:40 PM


Re: Love/God
It's been very cold here lately - minus 25 (Celsius) with a wind-chill of minus 40. The birds line up on the window-sill to wait their turn at the feeder and to take advantage of the warmth coming through the glass.
Yesterday, while I was washing dishes, a sparrow was looking right at me, not three feet away. We had a moment of communication, big-brain to little-brain, flier to walker.
He wasn't speaking English.

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Message 80 of 108 (376524)
01-12-2007 12:57 PM
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01-12-2007 12:50 PM


Re: Love/God
Ringo writes:
We had a moment of communication, big-brain to little-brain, flier to walker.
Is that a parallel construction?

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jar
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Message 81 of 108 (376527)
01-12-2007 1:06 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by iceage
01-12-2007 12:49 PM


Re: Maps
Having spent a considerable amount of time in the bush and can attest having the wrong map is worse than having no map at all. Also, even misreading the correct map can be worse than having no map in all.
Absolutely true. And that is why I always say that the Map must be tested against the Territory. Just because the Map shows a bridge, it does not mean the bridge has not been washed out or that the road is not closed.
The reason that the analogy is so important is because many folk confuse the Map with the actual Territory. They think GOD is the Biblical God or the God of the Qur'an or the God of the Torah. When that happens they lose sight of the fact that religions really are only Maps, they are not the Reality, the Territory.

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iceage 
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Message 82 of 108 (376532)
01-12-2007 4:15 PM
Reply to: Message 81 by jar
01-12-2007 1:06 PM


Re: Maps
So the opening number of the musical The Music Man "Ya Gotta Know the Territory" was actually a spiritual.
OK I get it. I will have to cogitate on that for while.

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Kader
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Message 83 of 108 (376540)
01-12-2007 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 77 by jar
01-12-2007 12:45 PM


Re: on voices
LOL. Not sure where you get that. You yourself said that you do not think GOD actually spoke to them.
That's because I don't think God speak to any of us.
I do not pick and choose
No, I did not say that and in fact, you are simply once again supporting what I did say.
I said I don't know why you cannot hear GOD talking to you.
Let recapitulate
In Message 3
Why does God only speaks with believers ?
Maybe only some people listen?
In Message 20
Possibly, like when I was a child, we have selective hearing, hearing only that which we wish to hear.
In Message 21
The fact that I just plain can't hear things is not my fault. The fact that you have not heard GOD may not be your fault either.
In Message 67
It could be selective hearing. It could be that background noise drowns Her out.
So what you are saying is because of my current condition (outside of my control) I cannot hear God or fail to hear his message.
So what you are saying is God is talking to me, im just not hearing.
So God is repetedly failing to get the msg through.
Or Im I again going to far with my extrapolation ?

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jar
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Message 84 of 108 (376541)
01-12-2007 5:01 PM
Reply to: Message 83 by Kader
01-12-2007 4:58 PM


Re: on voices
So what you are saying is because of my current condition (outside of my control) I cannot hear God or fail to hear his message.
So what you are saying is God is talking to me, im just not hearing.
So God is repetedly failing to get the msg through.
Or Im I again going to far with my extrapolation ?
Once again.
I don't know why you can't hear GOD talking to you.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Kader
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Message 85 of 108 (376547)
01-12-2007 5:16 PM
Reply to: Message 84 by jar
01-12-2007 5:01 PM


Re: on voices
But You tryed and gave me your #1 possible reason right ?
You said it might be because of background noise etc etc.
If you speak with God could you ask him ?
Maybe he'll answer you
Maybe perhaps God can get the msg through you (to me)
We never know

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jar
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Message 86 of 108 (376550)
01-12-2007 5:21 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by Kader
01-12-2007 5:16 PM


Re: on voices
If you speak with God could you ask him ?
Maybe he'll answer you
I'll ask.
She says She has no idea what your problem is and that not only has She been talking to you, She has been sending you books and prophets and mentors and you still just don't get it.

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Kader
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Message 87 of 108 (376555)
01-12-2007 5:29 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by ringo
01-12-2007 12:43 PM


Re: on voices
Ringo,
That's why I want to make my statement clear.
There are people who claim that God speaks to them, not through "normal" event but as voice in or outside their head, some with visual others with none.
It is not simply a sense of awarness that someone might get looking at a beautiful winter scenery, it is a conversation in plain english (or whatever language the person speaks).
zero interpretation is needed.
God is saying A, B and C
Of course we could speculate that every coincidence is actually God speaking to us
We can speculate anything really.
But why dooes God speaks to people in PLAIN english, why them and not me or you or [insert anyone that never spoke with God] ?

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ringo
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From: frozen wasteland
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Message 88 of 108 (376556)
01-12-2007 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 80 by Fosdick
01-12-2007 12:57 PM


Re: Love/God
Hoot Mon writes:
big-brain to little-brain, flier to walker.
Is that a parallel construction?
It's a reverse-parallel construction. I'm trying to emulate Hebrew.

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ringo
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Message 89 of 108 (376557)
01-12-2007 5:35 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Kader
01-12-2007 5:29 PM


Re: on voices
Kader writes:
But why dooes God speaks to people in PLAIN english...?
Who says He does?
Maybe I haven't been following the thread closely enough. Has anybody here claimed that God speaks to them audibly in plain English?

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Kader
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Message 90 of 108 (376560)
01-12-2007 5:42 PM
Reply to: Message 89 by ringo
01-12-2007 5:35 PM


Re: on voices
Well some example have been given
Message 8 and Message 18

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