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mike the wiz
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Message 16 of 108 (376289)
01-11-2007 5:34 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Kader
01-11-2007 11:43 AM


Hi Kader. I see only a few paths I can take, in order to answer you;
1. The other religions are seeing demons, (possible but ad-hoc)
2. All religious people are hallucinating in some way. ALL.
3. Other religions are hallucinating, so some instances are genuine, others aren't.
4. All these instances are real, and God simply appears in many ways, in order to comfort the person,
to what they would expect.
Here's my answer;
I don't know.
I would suggest as a Theist, that number 2 is most likely.

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 17 of 108 (376293)
01-11-2007 5:41 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Kader
01-11-2007 5:14 PM


Love/God
The thing is everyone experience love to a certain degree, while only a very select people can hear God.
And im not talking about day to day things you can attribute to God. Im talking about God directly speaking to you and telling you what to do.
What do you mean by directly speaking to us and telling us what to do? Do you mean the few people in history (like Abraham, Moses, Paul) who have some kind of physical manifestation come upon them?
Another thing to note. when God speaks to someone it is always (strangely) in concordence to what belief the person hold.
Examples please.

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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Kader
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Message 18 of 108 (376297)
01-11-2007 5:58 PM
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01-11-2007 5:41 PM


Re: Love/God
What do you mean by directly speaking to us and telling us what to do? Do you mean the few people in history (like Abraham, Moses, Paul) who have some kind of physical manifestation come upon them?
No im talking of people who genuinly believe God told them things
Like theses :
George Bush
This man (named John)
This man too
there are more.. a couple of click away (google)
here another quote
quote:
...Benny Hinn, who once said that God told him "homosexuals in America will be destroyed by fire by 1995". Or by Joel Osteen who says things like this: "I was praying one morning asking God about all of this. And the Lord spoke to me so clearly, not out loud but right down in my heart. God said . . ."
Anyways, LOTS of people converse with God
Another thing to note. when God speaks to someone it is always (strangely) in concordence to what belief the person hold.
Examples please.
Well when God speaks to you, he usually uphold what view of him/her you have. I've yet to see someone that who spoke to God and then "changed" religion..(usually if the voice you hear doesn't fit your preconceived idea of God, the person can aswell conclude that it was satan speaking to him...)

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Hyroglyphx
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Message 19 of 108 (376299)
01-11-2007 6:06 PM
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01-11-2007 5:58 PM


Re: Love/God
No im talking of people who genuinly believe God told them things
Like theses :
George Bush
This man (named John)
This man too
You just said you weren't talking about your ordinary conversation with God, which all of these people have had. That implies that a miracle of some sort be accompanied with the conversation. God speaks to me too. What do you want to know?
Well when God speaks to you, he usually uphold what view of him/her you have. I've yet to see someone that who spoke to God and then "changed" religion.
What? There are thousands of conversion stories after having prayed about it. Paul is probably the most famous of those stories.
(usually if the voice you hear doesn't fit your preconceived idea of God, the person can aswell conclude that it was satan speaking to him...)
Maybe you just don't know any better because you've never come to an understanding. If that's the case, pray for God to reveal Himself and you'll know what it means to have Him speak to you.

"A man can no more diminish God's glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, 'darkness' on the walls of his cell." -C.S. Lewis

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jar
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Message 20 of 108 (376305)
01-11-2007 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 10 by mark24
01-11-2007 5:01 PM


Re: Just answers? Or Questions?
Don't you think the supreme being that created all the mountains & rivers & forests, planets, stars & galaxies would be noticed when he spoke?
I don't know. When I was a child and we were playing, quite often I would arrive home to find I was in trouble cause Mom had been calling me for ever or have a sister or brother tug at my sleeve and say "Mamma's calling!"
Often I would be asked why I didn't do something and reply "'Cause no one said to." only to be told just exactly how wrong I was.
Possibly, like when I was a child, we have selective hearing, hearing only that which we wish to hear.
I have never heard GOD speak to me in loud booming tones or even authoritatively. When GOD speaks to me, if it is GOD, it is in a small quiet voice, in whispers, not shouts.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 21 of 108 (376307)
01-11-2007 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by nator
01-11-2007 5:04 PM


Re: Just answers? Or Questions?
I listened and I never heard anything.
Is it my fault I can't hear God, or God's fault for not speaking to me in a way I can understand?
Well I am sorry that you have never heard, but I am not sure that it is anyones fault or even really very important.
I have a hearing loss. Likely it is the result of Chicken Pox when I was a child but there is also a genetic tendency on both sides of my family to have tinnitus (which of course I was also lucky enough to get).
The fact that I just plain can't hear things is not my fault. The fact that you have not heard GOD may not be your fault either.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 22 of 108 (376309)
01-11-2007 6:38 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Straggler
01-11-2007 5:05 PM


Re: Just answers? Or Questions?
How does your "many maps theory" account for that fact and indeed your own largely Christian (correct me if I am wrong) convictions and subsequent (I assume) belief in Jesus as the son of God?
Way too long an answer required and way too far off topic.
If you want an answer though, start with the thread Message 1.
It is not as unusual a position as you might think though.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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AnswersInGenitals
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Message 23 of 108 (376316)
01-11-2007 7:00 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Hyroglyphx
01-11-2007 5:00 PM


NJ writes:
And then one day you may hear something, feel something, see something and all of a sudden these seemingly insignificant experiences may flood your mind in one instance. You can call this an epiphany or whatever else, but what once vexed you was made crystal clear. I can tell you from personal experience that it is one of the most sobering times in a persons life. And you begin to understand that of all of things correlate. And what was nonsensical makes sense. You start to see some engineering that could only be explained by the providence of....
This is exactly the way I've heard scientists and mathematicians describe the experience of making a new discovery!

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Message 24 of 108 (376318)
01-11-2007 7:07 PM
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01-11-2007 4:18 PM


Is there a cartographer in the house?
Jar writes:
Religions are Maps. There can be many Maps of the same Territory. Some Maps may be more or less accurate than others.
This is the most encouraging thought I've heard in a long time. Here I've been thinking that people were killing and torturing each other and going to war over the differences in their religions and the god(s) they believed in. But now I understand its all been over some small differences in some silly maps. The way to world peace is through cartography! We just have to make sure that our cartographers can beat up their cartographers.

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Message 25 of 108 (376320)
01-11-2007 7:23 PM
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01-11-2007 7:00 PM


AnswersInGenitals writes:
This is exactly the way I've heard scientists and mathematicians describe the experience of making a new discovery!
Charles Manson had the same experience too.
It seems like a fairly normal human thing. It's all in what you do with it.

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jar
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Message 26 of 108 (376325)
01-11-2007 7:34 PM
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01-11-2007 7:07 PM


Re: Is there a cartographer in the house?
Here I've been thinking that people were killing and torturing each other and going to war over the differences in their religions and the god(s) they believed in.
Very seldom have wars actually been fought over religions or religious belief. Often though religious propaganda has been used to sway the ignorant and add a fascia of legitimacy to wars of conquest or struggles for power. Even the Crusades were not about religion, but rather who would control the profitable ports and the trade routes.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Nighttrain
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Message 27 of 108 (376332)
01-11-2007 8:16 PM
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01-11-2007 6:06 PM


Re: Love/God
You just said you weren't talking about your ordinary conversation with God, which all of these people have had. That implies that a miracle of some sort be accompanied with the conversation. God speaks to me too. What do you want to know?
How`s about asking Him for a cure for malaria, for openers. All those little children------

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AnswersInGenitals
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Message 28 of 108 (376333)
01-11-2007 8:28 PM
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01-11-2007 7:34 PM


Re: Is there a cartographer in the house?
How do I hate thee? Let me count the ways: Religion, ethnicity, religion, race, religion, I want your trade routes, and, uhm let's see, oh yes; religion.

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Kader
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Message 29 of 108 (376386)
01-12-2007 12:40 AM
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01-11-2007 6:06 PM


Re: Love/God
You just said you weren't talking about your ordinary conversation with God, which all of these people have had. That implies that a miracle of some sort be accompanied with the conversation. God speaks to me too.
Is it the Biblical God we're talking about ? (Jesus)
Because if it is, then you have a bunch of muslim people who will strongly deny what you just said. (about 1 billions people to be more precise)
What do you want to know?
When does the world ends ?
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Message 30 of 108 (376388)
01-12-2007 1:00 AM
Reply to: Message 5 by iceage
01-11-2007 4:31 PM


pantheism revealed
However, most religions are exclusive in that if you do not believe in a certain set of core doctrine you are a heathen.
All philosophies and religions are exclusive... especially the polytheistic ones.
The cosmic vaccume cleaner of popular new age pantheism just opposes and exalts itself over everything else and claims that they (the knowing) are one with the divine... They are God. Evolving into the self aware universe, that is everything, and that is God.
And they especially exclude the religions that are openly exclusive. They mock and impune the primitive believers of those closed systems as evil. But to call something evil is to exclude it from being true! For if anything is the heart of evil it is falsehood.
But the pantheist cannot take to being examined very carefully because God does not like to be challenged. God owns Himself. He is His own. If you mock them, they will collectively suspend your backside for speaking with disrespect to the high preists and priestesses. Like they did to Jesus, they will slap you for your arrogance.
That is why I reject Pantheism. Because it is a fraud. An imposter that sets itself up, as the very thing it despises. It opposes itself. It is a contradiction and a falsehood. A deception. It is the most exclusive of all because it calls itself the truth!
Well, it is either the truth or the antitruth; Christ or antichrist. One thing is certain... as sure as there is a hell, there is no middle ground.
Matthew 12:30 "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
But it will sell. Man (as oppposed to God) does it sell in this dark time. Because the philosophy promises that you can have your physical cake and eat your spiritual fruitcake too.
1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
The hour is near...
Job 34:33 Should God then reward you on your terms, when you refuse to repent? You must decide, not I; so tell me what you know.
Matthew 7:12 So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets (love the truth and tell it). 13 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Scottness, you are once again hijacking threads and using them for your own personal preaching. This will NOT be tolerated any further. TO EVERYONE: Please do not respond to scottness unless he is adhering to the Forum Guidelines and remaining in the topic. AdminPhat
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Matthew 10:26 "So do not be afraid of them. There is nothing concealed that will not be disclosed, or hidden that will not be made known.

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