A statement of my disbeliefs

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science is disproving atheism

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if you can provide us with a peer-reviewed paper to back this statement I (and I suspect many many others) would be very surprised.This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 25-May-2005 12:24 PM

The huge and intericate code of DNA is the easiest example.For one to see intelligence, one must see an intelligent source behind the intelligence. The DNA code is so vast and so packed full of intelligence, the basic structure of it follows the guidelines of a written language, with a combination of 3 parts to make up coded sentences and paragraphs that give key guidelines to genetic makeup. For such a code, there is obviously an intelligence behind it, such intelligence could not have 'just happened'. That is substantial proof of an intelligent designer.Michael Behe's book 'Darwin's Black Box', Lee Strobel's books 'Case for Christ', 'Case for Faith', and 'Case for a Creator', and Patrick Glynn's book 'God: The Evidence' all have substancial evidences to show that much of athiestic claims have abundant holes in their theology (that's right, theology), and there is a great deal of factual evidence to show of an intelligent designer.
PS. Strobel and Glynn were both athiests.Dan

I hate to jump on your band wagon, but your OP sums up my thoughts very nicely.I grew up in Christianity. I was happy to let a few minor oddities slip by me, but then I was told I needed to study the Bible in guided classes. So I did. Then I truly saw the light.The Christian view of God has lost its credibility with me. If a supreme being does exist outside of the written word and mankind's imagination, it has yet to present itself clearly.

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"The average man does not know what to do with this life, yet wants another one which lasts forever." --Anatole France

My own view is that we are accidental products of a mindless universe, and that therefore life is meaningless.However, there are 2 aspects of human experience that sometimes give me pause and make me wonder if my gut feeling is wrong:1. The mystery of consciousness.2. The concept of "conscience."

Mr. robinrohan,
Life regardless of how or why is meaningless only if you do not give meaning to it. IMO.

More grammar, please.

I meant it could have no objective meaning, due to a lack of grounding for any subjective meaning you wish to assign to it.I could decide, for example, that the purpose of life is to make the world blue, and then I could go around fulfilling my purpose by painting everything blue that I could, and eventually I could die having known I had done my duty.That plan would have as much or as little meaning as any other that one could contrive, assuming no Absolute.

Your point is taken and well made.
I like to think that reality, (whatever that is) is both objective and what we percieve it to be. If people personally feel better believing there is a God or what ever then they feel better.
Even it it is not so does not change the fact that they feel better.
A self fufilling prophesy so to speak. If painting the world blue is what gives a person a purpose in life then even if it is arbitrary it still gives one something to grasp upon and keep them out of that pit. I realize this is overly simplistic but things do not have to be so difficult either. Take care.

Judging by the fact that our paleolithic ppl had religion I don't think it could be forgotten.You would have to eradicate many rational minds in your plan to take over the world.The very want to take over the world is simplistic indeed.

1. The mystery of consciousness.
2. The concept of "conscience."Yea, These are the real you, your genuine psyche.So, why even allow us neurotic naturalists to mockingly reduce the "real you", thus?We are in denial, cold and cruel, venting and vaunting our own "cursed gut feelings" upon these vital 2 aspects of your reality.Find a Christian, follow my posts.Philip

My statement (or, rather, perception) of disbeliefs:Regarding Allah:That Allah (a.k.a, Ishtar, Eastar, Ashtoroth of Baal, etc) is the same ancient moon god ideology that Solomon fell into?
and has somehow de-evolved into the Easter bunny
and is somehow being adored in Christian churches every Jewish Passover season.Regarding the Christ:That Christ (and not the Pope) entered into death to trade my sins for His righteousness, and did steal away my curse by his eternal sacrifice, even an all-consuming heavenly sacrifice from before the foundations of the world (Revelation 13)
That Christ did rob my grave, carry my cross, and bear my eternal punishment of hellfire, etc., because I simply reasoned, repented and do believe (and profess) on Jesus’ name.That evil men exist for that matter: Terrorism, greed, hatred, etc. are mere myths.That Christ, and also Christ’s peer-reviewers (see the scriptures), so insultingly make us all out as evil sinners and insultingly declare our desperate need of such repentance to avoid damnation.That an infinitely holy God actually prepared eternal hellfire for the devil and his angels, and would allow evil men to partake various levels of such eternal hellfire, even in an eternal lake of fire (Revelation 20-22), even for denying the name of Jesus the Christ.as if one day’s confinement in hell isn’t enough to atone for my sins and the stumbling block I’ve been against science, educators, my children, my children’s children, etc., and moreover, against the Majestic Maker of my benefits.That it is a free gift, reserved for sinners, and not good men, to treasure,
That denial of that gift of redemption from God is an inexcusable damnation, even the spirit of Anti-Christ.That Christ actually remained in the grave (i.e., his sin-bearing psyche in the heart of a metaphysical earth) 3 days and 3 nights,
That Christ then burst forth in victoryrose from the dead the 3rd day afterwards,
That Christ swallowed death up (like a black hole), led captivity captive, gave eternal salvation and eternal weights of glory, especially to believing entities.That this eternal Lamb of God, who was before the foundations, actually ascended back to the right hand of the Majesty on high, a Redemptive Designer of the universe.

here ya go

All of the books you mentioned have been discussed and destroyed (the strobel one was the most recent).Now can you answer the actual question?.This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 25-May-2005 03:38 PM

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That evil men exist for that matter: Terrorism, greed, hatred, etc. are mere myths.

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Please explain this statement, because hatred, greed and ppl terrorizing eachother are very real things

How haven't i answered your question?And explain what you meant about strobel please.ThanksPS. Where were the books discredited?This message has been edited by Namesdan, 05-25-2005 03:46 PM